Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over death threats against Barack Obama

Originally posted by centurion1211
You're already all over ATS spreading this garbage.

Gonna make me famous? Show me where I advocated one single act of violence. Show me my ATS audience share.

You really thinkg millions are watching us talk here?

Anyone with a PC and an internet connection can "be subjected" to it.

You really have a thing for that word dontcha? They can be and how many people see my posts on ATS compared to people that hear Glenn Beck speak? Have any numbers?

Got those calls to violence you are accusing me of yet?

Your "audience" could already be in the hundreds of thousands depending on how many people read your posts.

LOL! Sure. Show me one poster on ATS with hundreds of thousands of stars anywhere. You really think posting here makes you big shot dont you? Please, numbers.

Why would you also need a TV show?

To reach more than you and 4 other people.

Guilty as charged ...

Of? I never once advocated violence to my dozens of fans. Find it.

Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by centurion1211
If you are subjecting yourself to 12 hours of this a day (your words), you could have at least taken the time to read the entire link. More than one democrat poster was shown.

Lying again? I still never saind anything about anyone being subjected to anything. I am sorry you are so confused by words.

I'm calling on you to produce even one direct link to show the shooter even knew about the Palin PAC poster, or was any kind of follower of Palin's speeches or writings. Anything that would conclusively show that Palin influenced him to commit these crimes. Without such evidence, you stand guilty as charged of using this tragedy for yet another round of Palin bashing.

You are asking my to back up claims that I not only never made but even clarified go against my actual belief and feelings on this specific issue? Why would I do that?

Lying? How did 2 different people think you said that? Or maybe you edited you post ...

Quoting your words from above:

I feel people should be responsible for what they say and who they say it to.

Do your own "feelings" also apply to you? Shouldn't they (to also avoid a hypocrisy charge)?

If so, then you are quite responsible for your own inflammatory words here and for whatever some nutjob that reads them goes out and does.

Originally posted by Sinnthia

Of? I never once advocated violence to my dozens of fans. Find it.

You are clearly trying to make Palin out to be responsible for the shootings. That's all it takes.

And FYI, stars do not equal views of a post.

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I see your point. But really, violence is violence. Regardless if by gun or not. And yeah, politicians should calm
The eff down with that stuff. But because they see that it is maybe to much. I think it's rediculous to say that someone is bashing someone and using violent rhetoric so we must censor them. Cuz where will the line be drawn. Two years from now are we going to ban Tom Clancy, because his books 'inspire' terrorists with new ideas for Killing people? ( planting dirty bomb outside the superbowl comes to mind ) or maybe a loony person watches The Matrix and believes everything around him is a construct of his mind, so he goes on a killing spree, because, well hey, these aren't real people anyway.

The point im trying to make is, ya people who have a 'following' should watch there mouth maybe. But we as a people or government can't censor stuff. Cuz people will find 'inspiration' for there actions anywhere

What is it that people don't understand about the lack of responsibility in a user generate board, versus the endorsement from an official website of a single person?

I don't see anyone blaming youtube for his posts there, or any of the topics youtube covers.

Enough with that nonsensical point.

I don't blame Palin for shootings. I do blame her for adding to creating a climate of fear not to mention the lies she attempted to spread to increase this fear, but rest assured she is not the only one I blame for that.

Wow, who'd have thought, another left wing Palin hating, fear mongering , liberal back slapping, star and flag fest. If you have to come up with something this old to try and prove a connection with the tradgedy the other day, you truely are pathetic. If it's truely your intent to use drival such as this to try and jump on the badwagon, let's use all of Michelle and Barraks own comments, both personal and from their friends and associates to prove how lying, racist, black seperatist, and prone to violence these losers certainly are. Better yet, lets use some overseas racist blogger for a source just so it's fair and balanced. Jesus, with people like you supporting him it's no wonder the country is as screwed as it is now, and it explains how such a loser got elected to begin with.

Instead of going back and forth on threads like this one, maybe we should all step back, open our minds, not try and shoot the messenger, and read this thread:

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Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
My apologies. You said they were hearing it 12 hours a day.

After listening to 8 hours of talk radio, it is quite easy for these folks to find 4 hours of FOX news to watch at night. It happens. Then again, I did not think you would all get so caught up on the number 12.

You answered dishonestly. You blame Palin for the actions others could take based on her rhetoric.

That is a blatant lie. I have said more times than I can count that I do not blame Palin for the shooting. Did you understand my answer at all?

Not really. "Speaking like a grownup" is subjective. She is a grown up and does speak like one. You desire her to change what she says because you find her rhetoric powerful and somehow dangerous. There's a huge difference between the two.

That is funny. Powerful? Anyway. I find it hard to believe that I have to debate whether or not "dont retreat, reload" has any place in politics. What is the issue I am being swayed on? What is the policy I am learning about? It is nothing but reactionary and any intelligent adult can see that.
Michelle Bachman says she wants people "armed and dangerous on the streets" blah blah blah. Apply all the context you like, that does not tell me anything about how I should vote, does it?

No, such statements were not key talking points or concerns of the political right. They were talking points of a handful of conspiracy theorists and widely disregarded by both the left and the right. It seems you have quite a habit of exploiting the fringe element to justify attacks against your perceived political enemies.

Michael Savage, Glenn Beck, Michael Medved, Sean Hannity. Do they all say all those things? No, it is a mild potpurri. Sean Hannity's entire radio show is built on the theme of revolution and taking the country back. Back from who? Other Americans?

Originally posted by centurion1211
Lying? How did 2 different people think you said that? Or maybe you edited you post ...

Would it have hurt too much to go back and see that post has NOT ONE EDIT before saying something so silly?
You both said it because one of you copied it from the other. The post was never edited. GO CHECK.
So, yes, you are both lying by claiming I said something I never did. You will note the other guy apologized for making that mistake already. What is your problem?

Quoting your words from above:

I feel people should be responsible for what they say and who they say it to.

Do your own "feelings" also apply to you? Shouldn't they (to also avoid a hypocrisy charge)?

Of course it should apply to me. Luckily I am well aware that Sinnthia has no millions of followers or political influence. I am well aware of who hears what I say and what weight it bears. I weigh my words accordingly. That is exactly what I ask of anyone else.

If so, then you are quite responsible for your own inflammatory words here and for whatever some nutjob that reads them goes out and does.

Sure I am. I have asked you to show me these inflammatory words and you cannot. Further, I kind of hoped that you could. I do not care. I am not sure what it is you do not understand about the fact that Sarah Palin has influence over millions of people and Sinnthia from ATS is struggling to get a star on her posts.

How do you not see the difference?

Originally posted by centurion1211
You are clearly trying to make Palin out to be responsible for the shootings. That's all it takes.

And FYI, stars do not equal views of a post.

Then why are you having such a hard time quoting me doing any such thing?

FYI, No kidding. I expected anyone with half a brain to get the point. Why do you insist on lying to make your argument? If it is failing that badly, just give up.

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I do not disagree with one thing you said. I am just sitting here from a point where I have been complaining about the toxic atmosphere of gunplay wordplay and the clear targeting the enemy socialists bent on destroying this country for at least two years. I am not going to stop letting it bother me now just because people want to make sure Palin is not blamed for this shooting. I do not really want to wait until there is a shooting to blame anyone for to point out that urging use of the second amendment to overturn a democratic election is just bad news.

Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by centurion1211
You are clearly trying to make Palin out to be responsible for the shootings. That's all it takes.

And FYI, stars do not equal views of a post.

Then why are you having such a hard time quoting me doing any such thing?

FYI, No kidding. I expected anyone with half a brain to get the point. Why do you insist on lying to make your argument? If it is failing that badly, just give up.

Not lying. And not about me.

Instead how about you stop being disingenuous about the true motives of what you are posting? We are all capable of reading between the lines. You're coming across like the person we all have known that adds "just kidding" to the end of most of what they say. We all know that means they are not "just kidding", but are so weak that they feel they need to say that to protect themselves in case someone disagrees with them.

reply to post by Sinnthia


Yeah man, I totally agree, There is a system in place to deal with people in power who we disagree with, and we must adhere by that, weather we want to or not. Because if we don't, well what makes us any better then the enemy socialists (not saying people in power are enemies or socialists, just making a point) And I also agree the atmosphere of hate and slander when it comes to politics needs to calm down, I just fear it will do so at the sake of peoples freedoms. Once/If rights like freedom of speech, peaceful assembly and the like start being suspended... well lets just say we can't expect people to adhere by things like a democratic election if the people we elect aren't adhering by the basic laws that govern our land. (im not saying its come to this, and God knows I hope it never does) Im reminded of a quote by, I believe, Ben Franklin " People who believe security should come at the sake of freedom deserve neither "

Anyways, Im glad we can for the most part find a common ground of agreence, forums are hard sometimes because its easy to misconstrue what someone says because of our possible preconceived notions

Originally posted by Sinnthia
I never once advocated violence to my dozens of fans.

Dozens of fans? Don't flatter yourself.

Originally posted by searching4truth
I don't blame Palin for shootings. I do blame her for adding to creating a climate of fear..

There ya' go!

Now if only the deranged whacks on the far left ... like the hags on The Spew ... um ... I mean, The View .. would come around and realize that Palin isn't the reason for all the ills in politics .. that Obama himself came out with some rhetoric that 's even WORSE (bring a gun to a knife fight ... fight your enemies *those enemies being Americans you disagree with), etc .... if this were a BALANCED discussion it would have more merit.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Sinnthia
I never once advocated violence to my dozens of fans.

Dozens of fans? Don't flatter yourself.

Your personal attack would have some merit had you actually read any of my posts. My argument was that I have NO FANS, no following, no influence, and no one cares what I say here. I was repeatedly told that I was wrong and my words on ATS have great power. I acquiesced, tongue firmly in cheek.

Originally posted by centurion1211
Not lying. And not about me.

Instead how about you stop being disingenuous about the true motives of what you are posting? We are all capable of reading between the lines. You're coming across like the person we all have known that adds "just kidding" to the end of most of what they say. We all know that means they are not "just kidding", but are so weak that they feel they need to say that to protect themselves in case someone disagrees with them.

You are completely full of crap. Honestly. You accused me of saying something I never said. Then you accuse me of editing it out of a post that has no edits. Then you say you can read between the lines? You cannot even read the lines that are there. Get off your high horse and stop judging me based on what you think I mean based on how you failed to read what I really wrote.

Well this is a dangerous slope. You can't hold Palin responsible. And my God I despise the woman with all my heart, I really do.

But lets say someone came out and stated some objective facts about Obama on TV. And after the stating of these facts, death threats increased. What of it? Are we to put blame on the person bringing truth, simply because it endangers somebody?

Ps. I'm not suggesting Palin has the capacity to speak truth

Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by centurion1211
Not lying. And not about me.

Instead how about you stop being disingenuous about the true motives of what you are posting? We are all capable of reading between the lines. You're coming across like the person we all have known that adds "just kidding" to the end of most of what they say. We all know that means they are not "just kidding", but are so weak that they feel they need to say that to protect themselves in case someone disagrees with them.

You are completely full of crap. Honestly. You accused me of saying something I never said. Then you accuse me of editing it out of a post that has no edits. Then you say you can read between the lines? You cannot even read the lines that are there. Get off your high horse and stop judging me based on what you think I mean based on how you failed to read what I really wrote.

Hardly. Just have you "pegged".

The reality is that you got caught - along with many others here - trying to using this tragedy to continue your attacks on Palin and other conservatives. Then when the spotlight was shined on you exposing your terrible cynicism, you tried the old liberal tactic of trying to squirm out of it by saying things like "that's not exactly what I said", and "that's not exactly what I meant", etc., when your meaning was quite clear. Others even responded to you and gave your posts a few stars. In other words, they got your meaning, as well.

If you really believe all the BS you've been spouting, at least have the courage to stand behind your words.

Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Sinnthia
I never once advocated violence to my dozens of fans.

Dozens of fans? Don't flatter yourself.

Your personal attack would have some merit had you actually read any of my posts. .

I read it. i understood what you were responding to.
I stand by my statement ... dozens of fans? Don't flatter yourself.

Originally posted by centurion1211
The reality is that you got caught - along with many others here - trying to using this tragedy to continue your attacks on Palin and other conservatives.

It's amazing ... it really is. Many of them are acting like this is a Palin-stand-alone thing. When confronted with the crap that the left spews ... the death to palin signs ... the violent ghetto rhetoric that their obamessiah spews (paraphrase - if they have a knife fight we'll bring guns). ... when confronted with this stuff they still refuse to admit that the rhetoric is just as bad, and in many cases worse, than anything Palin could have come up with. She scares the stuff'n out of them .. but at the same time Obama and his lies and his violent rhetoric don't. It's the strangest thing ...