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Unless you are in your late 50's or older, I doubt it. If you are in your late 50's or older, then it is quite possible and I still ask you where in the novel these actions occurred.
…Honey, I probably read Atlas Shrugged before you were born!
No, actually it isn't. I already said that I do not believe the statement to be true. Rand, like many other authors/actors/whatever, have their private lives and beliefs which I could not possibly care less about. I like Tom Cruise movies for example, but I think he is an idiot. I am talking about the actions of the main protagonists in the book and ask you to show where their actions support your suppositions.
As far as ignoring the facts, you're the guilty one here. Your "job" is to (try to) reconcile Randian objectivism with Christianity - NOT to deny the facts:
Originally posted by Logarock
reply to post by Yissachar1
Could you be just a little clearer? Its hard to see where we are in disagreement.....unless you are just looking for a leg to piss down.
Rand was an aggressive atheist who condemned altruism of all kinds...
...Rand was clear that her philosophy, known as objectivism, was incompatible with that of Jesus. For her, any system that that required one individual to live for others and follow anything beside his or her own self-interest was immoral. For Jesus, any system or behavior that does not take into account living for others and acting on their behalf is immoral.
Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
I am a Christian, and I love the book "Atlas Shrugged". I do not buy into her entire moral belief system, but I also do not believe that it is the responsibility of the producers of the world to support the moochers of the world. The Apostle Paul said it best when he said "He who WILL NOT WORK shall not eat"(emphasis mine)((II Thessalonians 3:10)).
Originally posted by vox2442
A part of me was hoping that this thread would be about the high literary standards of being a Christian.
Perhaps I should start a thread along the lies of: "Good Athiests shouldn't follow Ayn Rand because her books are self-serving drivel. "
Life's too short for bad literature.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
I am a Christian, and I love the book "Atlas Shrugged". I do not buy into her entire moral belief system, but I also do not believe that it is the responsibility of the producers of the world to support the moochers of the world. The Apostle Paul said it best when he said "He who WILL NOT WORK shall not eat"(emphasis mine)((II Thessalonians 3:10)).
DITTO. You said it perfectly!
Not too keen on her views on violent angry sex though. Her characters get off on rape and angry dirty sex. Kinda ruined The Fountainhead for me. Could'a been a good story otherwise.
Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
reply to post by soficrow
Unless you are in your late 50's or older, I doubt it. If you are in your late 50's or older, then it is quite possible
…Honey, I probably read Atlas Shrugged before you were born!
...and I still ask you where in the novel these actions occurred. ... I am talking about the actions of the main protagonists in the book and ask you to show where their actions support your suppositions.
My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute.
~ Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
...No one has made any judgment on who "decides" that a person is disabled and not capable of working. What we have been saying is that private charity is better equiped to handle the needs of a person who is disabled.
...If I am going to provide charity to someone and thus be giving them time or money or material support then YES I will be making the decision about the eligability of the receiver of my support. If I feel that they are simply mooching then they will not receive that support. That is MY right because I am the one giving.
What is "unchristian" is the concept of using the police power of government to force one citizen to give up their livelyhood to support another citizen regardless of the worthyness of that citizen. THAT is theft no matter how liberal progressive socialist like to dress it up.
The christian fans of Ayn Rand who promote her philosophy about government are promoting the end result not the thought process that brought that end result about.