reply to post by xavi1000
It's seeing things like that that make me cringe!
And OP great post S+F. These are the most important things to get out to the people, everyone needs to know that we are being lied to! When the powers
that be want something they will lead us down the river, twist reality, and bombard us with propaganda.
It's becoming very VERY obvious.
I'm upset that more people AREN'T upset about how we were lied into the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. It's really coming out now that that's what
happened and i just don't hear enough about it. These criminals need to be accountable for their crimes. Just like all the American people that
commit crimes and are being exploited. The good people that make simple mistakes and are drug through the Correctional MUDS. If you're going to
arrest someone for carrying around .5 grams of pot, then arrest the politicians that are lieing us into wars and stealing our money!
WikiLeaks' Most Terrifying Revelation: Just How Much Our Government Lies to Us, page 2
reply posted on 5-1-2011 @ 02:12 PM by DimensionalDetective
reply to post by SurReality
Agreed.
The biggest problem is, as I alluded to in my opening statement on this thread, that although this information is coming out, virtually NO ONE on the bought-and-paid-for Mainstream outlets are discussing the actual materials!
The focus has been nearly entirely on Assange. He is not of the primary importance here, the REVELATIONS are. But the gov and corpomedia shills are very cleverly MISDIRECTING attention off of this. Because they are unbelievably guilty of criminality and corruption to the highest concievable level.
It will be up to US to spread the word and educate others in our circles of what is going on.
Agreed.
The biggest problem is, as I alluded to in my opening statement on this thread, that although this information is coming out, virtually NO ONE on the bought-and-paid-for Mainstream outlets are discussing the actual materials!
The focus has been nearly entirely on Assange. He is not of the primary importance here, the REVELATIONS are. But the gov and corpomedia shills are very cleverly MISDIRECTING attention off of this. Because they are unbelievably guilty of criminality and corruption to the highest concievable level.
It will be up to US to spread the word and educate others in our circles of what is going on.
reply posted on 5-1-2011 @ 04:09 PM by Char-Lee
reply to post by DimensionalDetective
Of course the gov wants more war it gives them more power and lets them go after what they want freely, but they have a strange influence over the majority of Americans.
When the Iraq war was started i was so against it, but even in our small town if you were not flying the flag in your yard and all out for the war you were labeled UN-American!
How can it happen over and over. So quickly the USA population turn on their brothers and sisters and tell them they should shut up and should have no right to free speech! They say you hate our troops (even tho many like myself have family in military) it feels as though there is a control over the populace far stronger then just normal power of persuasion it is totally scary!
Of course the gov wants more war it gives them more power and lets them go after what they want freely, but they have a strange influence over the majority of Americans.
When the Iraq war was started i was so against it, but even in our small town if you were not flying the flag in your yard and all out for the war you were labeled UN-American!
How can it happen over and over. So quickly the USA population turn on their brothers and sisters and tell them they should shut up and should have no right to free speech! They say you hate our troops (even tho many like myself have family in military) it feels as though there is a control over the populace far stronger then just normal power of persuasion it is totally scary!
reply posted on 5-1-2011 @ 04:21 PM by smurfy
Originally posted by arbitrarygeneraiist
I thought this was common knowledge. The fact that we have alphabet organizations like the CIA and words like "top secret" should be enough to paint a basic picture.
That's true,
But before Wikileaks it was just assumed knowledge from the grapevine. With the Baghdad video at least, there is pictorial evidence of "Easy" rules of engagement, and subsequent slaughter. You can also be sure that all the current areas of invasion, since that is what it is, are intended for permanent foreign military prescence, at least by US forces.
www.ukfpi.org...
Iran will be the next salivation, and if you read the cable relating to Saadam you can understand all the mayhem taking place for years, and that it is to do with vested private interests, rather than noble goverment causes in the pursuit of democracy over our world.
reply posted on 5-1-2011 @ 04:31 PM by DimensionalDetective
reply to post by smurfy
Not only through the grapevine, but also any time these little tidbits would come through, we had the usual bunch of gov defenders, apologists and debunkers saying "you have no proof, you're just paranoid, bla-blah-blah"...And usually it would get swept under the carpet and ignored.
Well, HERE'S your PROOF now. No more SPECULATION. It is out in the open for EVERYONE to see with their own two eyes. No more pathetic excuses or denial. The deception and criminality has been shown crystal clear, and note that NO ONE, not even the gov itself, is trying to lie their way out of this---Because they can't.
But they CAN try to shut it down, and that is what they are attempting.
Not only through the grapevine, but also any time these little tidbits would come through, we had the usual bunch of gov defenders, apologists and debunkers saying "you have no proof, you're just paranoid, bla-blah-blah"...And usually it would get swept under the carpet and ignored.
Well, HERE'S your PROOF now. No more SPECULATION. It is out in the open for EVERYONE to see with their own two eyes. No more pathetic excuses or denial. The deception and criminality has been shown crystal clear, and note that NO ONE, not even the gov itself, is trying to lie their way out of this---Because they can't.
But they CAN try to shut it down, and that is what they are attempting.
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reply posted on 5-1-2011 @ 04:40 PM by skeptic_al
reply to post by DimensionalDetective
All Governments Lie, Federal and State levels.
They Lie to protect the order of Governance, not to protect the People or Country.
All Governments become corrupt with Power, the Longer Politicians are in the Job of Politicians the more likely they can be bought to influence a decission. Company Sponsorship of a Party, Come on, how obvious can you get. Its' right there in front of your Nose. IF political teams were Banned and each member has a maximum fixed number if years 7-8 years most of the Corruption would disappear. It still won't stop two Pollies from scratching each others back, but they only have a set time to do something and there gone. This isn't going to happen, the only thing you can do is never Vote Democrat, Republican, Liberal or Labour ever again. Vote for anyone except the two main Parties, that is the only real way to achive any change, and the fresher somebody is in Politics then move them to the top of the List. Just don't vote for any body that's been a Pollie for more than 10 Years.
Trust No One
All Governments Lie, Federal and State levels.
They Lie to protect the order of Governance, not to protect the People or Country.
All Governments become corrupt with Power, the Longer Politicians are in the Job of Politicians the more likely they can be bought to influence a decission. Company Sponsorship of a Party, Come on, how obvious can you get. Its' right there in front of your Nose. IF political teams were Banned and each member has a maximum fixed number if years 7-8 years most of the Corruption would disappear. It still won't stop two Pollies from scratching each others back, but they only have a set time to do something and there gone. This isn't going to happen, the only thing you can do is never Vote Democrat, Republican, Liberal or Labour ever again. Vote for anyone except the two main Parties, that is the only real way to achive any change, and the fresher somebody is in Politics then move them to the top of the List. Just don't vote for any body that's been a Pollie for more than 10 Years.
Trust No One
reply posted on 5-1-2011 @ 04:54 PM by redoubt
reply to post by DimensionalDetective
Your statement hit me on two levels.
One, that this is true. Our government lies to us all the time and if they will do that even once, there is no basis for complete trust on anything, including issues of UFOs or 9.11.
Two, that this is true and that it is really no big surprise. I haven't trusted my government since Vietnam and find no startling event in the leaks because... I now fully expect to be lied to.
The problem with both of these realities is that... it IS our government, supposedly by, for and of THE PEOPLE, period.
So... here I am admitting that is do not trust my government... which is disturbing, or should be in this country and... that I fully expect to be lied to in the future. This is simply wrong and we should not allow our desire for a comfort zone to block us from correcting the problem.
But you know, and I know, that once this post has run its course and folks get a few choice opinions spoken, we will all go back to that zone and live next door to those lies like they were a beloved spouse that we did not have the courage to see cheating on us.
That my friend, is our truth.
Best
WikiLeaks' Most Terrifying Revelation: Just How Much Our Government Lies to Us
Your statement hit me on two levels.
One, that this is true. Our government lies to us all the time and if they will do that even once, there is no basis for complete trust on anything, including issues of UFOs or 9.11.
Two, that this is true and that it is really no big surprise. I haven't trusted my government since Vietnam and find no startling event in the leaks because... I now fully expect to be lied to.
The problem with both of these realities is that... it IS our government, supposedly by, for and of THE PEOPLE, period.
So... here I am admitting that is do not trust my government... which is disturbing, or should be in this country and... that I fully expect to be lied to in the future. This is simply wrong and we should not allow our desire for a comfort zone to block us from correcting the problem.
But you know, and I know, that once this post has run its course and folks get a few choice opinions spoken, we will all go back to that zone and live next door to those lies like they were a beloved spouse that we did not have the courage to see cheating on us.
That my friend, is our truth.
Best
reply posted on 5-1-2011 @ 04:56 PM by Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by DimensionalDetective
That's what the American Government did in the Balkans, they claim the serbs were the real marauders yet little did anyone of you know what was really happening in Yugoslavia.
during the night before the war, thousands of prisoners were released into the streets wearing para military uniforms, they were hired and paid to be released by the later Islamic Government of Bosnia.
These were the worst prisoners in Yugoslavia history.
I have my sources for this in Europe to bad the so called fair media never reported it.
It seems to me that American government was willing to turn Bosnia into a Saudi backed Islamic country.
Just so you know Bosnian Muslims before the wars were peacefully in Bosnia to them it didn't matter if you were a serb or Croatian Bosnian.
But now thats changed thanks to the brutal American government.
The purpose of communicating with the public is not to provide them with truthful information
That's what the American Government did in the Balkans, they claim the serbs were the real marauders yet little did anyone of you know what was really happening in Yugoslavia.
during the night before the war, thousands of prisoners were released into the streets wearing para military uniforms, they were hired and paid to be released by the later Islamic Government of Bosnia.
These were the worst prisoners in Yugoslavia history.
I have my sources for this in Europe to bad the so called fair media never reported it.
It seems to me that American government was willing to turn Bosnia into a Saudi backed Islamic country.
Just so you know Bosnian Muslims before the wars were peacefully in Bosnia to them it didn't matter if you were a serb or Croatian Bosnian.
But now thats changed thanks to the brutal American government.
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given)
reply posted on 5-1-2011 @ 04:57 PM by smurfy
Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
reply to post by smurfy
Not only through the grapevine, but also any time these little tidbits would come through, we had the usual bunch of gov defenders, apologists and debunkers saying "you have no proof, you're just paranoid, bla-blah-blah"...And usually it would get swept under the carpet and ignored.
Well, HERE'S your PROOF now. No more SPECULATION. It is out in the open for EVERYONE to see with their own two eyes. No more pathetic excuses or denial. The deception and criminality has been shown crystal clear, and note that NO ONE, not even the gov itself, is trying to lie their way out of this---Because they can't.
But they CAN try to shut it down, and that is what they are attempting.edit on 5-1-2011 by DimensionalDetective because: (no reason given)
That no one is denying anything revealed by Wikileaks, is something I have talked about in other threads where there have been detractors of what Wikileaks has been revealing as just more government disinfo. Thing is, what Wikileaks is revealing is so in step with what many of us have already gleaned from elsewhere, (the hard bit is putting it all together... and not there yet) the idea of it being more disinfo is ridiculous in the first instance as it is bad enough anyway.
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