Greece follows U.S. example by building giant border wall to keep out illegal immigrants

Greece follows U.S. example by building giant border wall to keep out illegal immigrants

www.dailymail.co.uk

The Greek government has unveiled plans to construct a wall along its 128-mile land border with Turkey in order to tackle the influx of illegal immigrants.

Interior minister Christian Papoutsis said the wall was a necessary measure after more than 100,000 people illegally entered the Mediterranean nation last year.

the area concerned has become the main entry point for migrants travelling from Africa and Asia, with an average of 245 people per day crossing

Greece can’t take it anymore.

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Greece is cash-strapped and broke, yet they can find the resources to constructively deal with illegal immigration. South Asians and North Africans have been flooding over the border for years and the society, unable to properly care for its citizens is going to put a stop to the flow.

In Athens, the streets are filled with illegal immigrants hawking fake handbags, watches and all manner of rubbish. The police scatter them only to find them set up shop in another part of town. The same is true for many European cities.

While this is a necessary measure, it will ultimately lead to serious problems, both in Europe as well as in the countries these folks are fleeing. Illegals in Europe as well as in the US have long considered illegal border crossing a right. When the borders are shut down and illegals can't get the rest of their familys over or go back to see them there will be unrest.

That unrest is one of the primary reasons the US won't build a true border defense against Mexico. The civil unrest that would occur in cities like Los Angeles and Phoenix would be significant and could well require some form of marshall law to stop.

You will see fences put up all over Europe over the next decade and should the Europeans move to a two tier Euro system dividing the north from the south, there will be fences between the two.

It will be interesting to see how the Greeks deal with illegal immigration into their country via sea. Thats a more expensive problem to solve than a wall/fence

www.dailymail.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

I think that the title is a little misleading. The US is not the first country to have a fence up to help stop the flow of invaders or border crossers. The article does mention in only a couple of sentences, but the comparison is flawed.

reply to post by dolphinfan


Well I NEVER! I hope the President of Greece turns himself in to the UN. I mean look at our President, that is what he did to Arizona that wanted to stop the criminal invaders.

I hope the criminal invaders throw riots and take over the country! /sarcasm

The times are looking to be getting interesting. Wonder how the Brits feel about their immigrants going to Afghanistan to fight the war and coming back to take a rest. These are the ones fighting on the other side by the way. INSANITY!

reply to post by ShadowMaster


I don't believe the comparrison is flawed in the least. The Greeks have an illegal immigration problem and they are addressing it by building a barrier along the entry point of the illegals. The US has an illegal immigration problem and while we have contemplated errecting a border fence and have built part of one, we fail to have the political will to actually build it.

Of course countries have built walls and barriers throughout history to keep others out. The US is the only major country contemplating doing so today and the Greeks became the second. The comparrison is true. Countries are broke and can no longer support growing numbers of illegals, especially those who don't integrate within their societies.

Okay..a fence...now what the public isn't informed about is that nato is simply solidifying its regional borders for the next months are going to be a what many people are simply not prepared for. Interesting to note, why uav's have been given air corridors that have nothing to do with illegal's but rather the upcoming shif in the middle east and its energy upgrade.

If your not familiar with it all, then yes, Israel is to be the next Energy bank of the middle east along with cyprus, but it seems that an upcoming skirmish is at hand but Egypt along with regional nations also are claiming rights to the natural gas cap, but as obvious as it is, blood will be shed and so the Egyptian bomb attack at a christian church on one of the most holy days for christianity has been so widely covered.

a) www.todayszaman.com...

b) www.cbsnews.com... 3A+Opinion%3A+CBS+News+Polls%29

c)www.upi.com...

d)www.worldtribune.com...

and last but not least and as everyone was led to believe

www.trdefence.com...

Now guess which military base has been under a constant upgrade for the past 4 years. Hint: Major superpowers have all sent their carriers on supposed pre arranged naval exercises the past 12 months.

I think Greece is on the right track to recovery. In any country, the first challenge to recover from massive losses, is too establish your borders and prevent un-needed and unwanted illegal's. Now If the US could actually build a huge concrete or masonry wall to prevent our massive influx of illegals, we too would be on the road to recovery.

reply to post by tristar


What seems to be the problem? In your own article it states:

The exercise was part of a pre-planned yearly training schedule and was conducted “in order to preserve the IAF’s operational capabilities, familiarize itself with NATO’s military tactics, and train the pilots in large airspaces and unfamiliar spheres along with foreign aircraft,”

If it was pre-planned, then shouldn't everything be acceptable?

Originally posted by Whereweheaded
reply to post by tristar

 

What seems to be the problem? In your own article it states:

The exercise was part of a pre-planned yearly training schedule and was conducted “in order to preserve the IAF’s operational capabilities, familiarize itself with NATO’s military tactics, and train the pilots in large airspaces and unfamiliar spheres along with foreign aircraft,”

If it was pre-planned, then shouldn't everything be acceptable?

pre planned...hmm does ring a bell similar to preemptive strikes?

Originally posted by ShadowMaster
I think that the title is a little misleading. The US is not the first country to have a fence up to help stop the flow of invaders or border crossers. The article does mention in only a couple of sentences, but the comparison is flawed.

This is an age old problem. Hadrian's wall comes to mind as an example............................

reply to post by tristar


It does, but let's take the preemptive strike on Germany during WW II. Same type of strike, but look at the number of lives saved because of that strike. Sometimes preemptive action is needed to deter from unnecessary death.

reply to post by dolphinfan

While this is a necessary measure, it will ultimately lead to serious problems,

It is a necessary measure, because as the article stated is one of the main entry points.Greece has a serious problem with illegals, because it reached a point where enough is enough. Greece simply cannot take anymore illegals.

Further, one of the main problems is that many illegals have no papers of identification. That leads to the problem that without ID they cannot travel to other EU-Countries and they cannot return to their Countries also. So they stay as illegals in Greece.

And since EU does not help much to the problem with the Illegals, then those kind of measures are necessary.

It will be interesting to see how the Greeks deal with illegal immigration into their country via sea. Thats a more expensive problem to solve than a wall/fence.

We are dealing the same ways as always. When the illegals coming to Greece via Sea from Turkey and other parts, they waiting till they see the Greek Cost-Guard coming, then they slice their rubber-boat and waiting for their rescue.

And that leads to the same situation as i stated above. They cannot travel to other EU-Countries and they cannot return to their countries also. The situation will not change, if the EU does not help to deal with that problem.

Peace

reply to post by Seed76


And that's why I commend Greece for doing something, any action is better than no action, much like the US. We should have had a 40 foot tall wall with guard posts every 20 feet, with authorized orders to shoot to kill any illegal attempts too scale the wall.

"Greece follows U.S. example by building giant border wall to keep out illegal immigrants".

And just what example has the US been successful with? How is our Giant Wall working out?
What a total joke. If Greece was even close to being smart, they wouldn't even think of following
anything that the US does as far as illegal immigration goes. Sure, our wall is really keeping out
all of these fine folks.

Originally posted by endtimer
"Greece follows U.S. example by building giant border wall to keep out illegal immigrants".

And just what example has the US been successful with? How is our Giant Wall working out?
What a total joke. If Greece was even close to being smart, they wouldn't even think of following
anything that the US does as far as illegal immigration goes. Sure, our wall is really keeping out
all of these fine folks.

The fact that the NATO is involved, is simply and making it obvious to all nations, that , here, here our future measures with or without your approval. Its going to get extremely nasty and by no means does that involve the Geneva conventions.

Greece is border member nation of EU so the thread title should be "EU follows U.S. example by building giant border wall to keep out illegal immigrants"

reply to post by tristar


You keep making these implications because NATO is involved? But are these just assumptions, or do you have solid facts or evidence that would go into further detail about just what it is your suggesting.

Dozens of nations have border walls, most designed to stop either illegal immigration or smuggling and some for fighting the flow of terrorists into their countries.

Spain/Morrocco

Kyrgyzstan/Uzbekistan

Uzbek/Afghan border

India has a few like this one and this one.

Saudi/Yemen

It's nothing new and not really sure what the big deal is. If the Greeks think this will help, than they should build it.

Rather than a wall, it would seem to be much more efficient for the U.S. or Greece to create a 'zone' about 100 yards wide that was completely saturated with land mines. I would imagine that birds could eat from the fallen and the bones may act as a deterrent to future crossings. Of course this would only be useful for land crossings but as part of an overall strategy may hold some merit.

reply to post by EssenSieMich


And that's exactly what the US needs to do with our southern borders. Land Mine the snot out of the area...that would be a big deterrent.