God has left the building - where is He?, page 3

Yes there is proof! The proof of every one seeing the individual fall to the ground (assuming that you are talking about an actual event), the proof that the knee swelled up as could be expected from landing on it and the proof that the swelling recided. That can be examined and tested.

But to the people that don't see him fall, did that individual actually fall? Only if someone told him that the individual falled, and then it is up to them to believe it or not. As well, its known that the brain filters out 50% of what it sees and the rest is filled in with what the individuals want to see. It's comparable to, If a tree falls and nobody is around, does it make a noise? Oh well then, what if everyone saw the individual fall. Well, show me an instance when something like this has happened and it may be considered proof, at least proof within the eyes of humanity. The most similar example I can think of is 9/11. Most people saw it happen on television though, so prove to me that the towers ever even existed in physical form. I've never touched them. How do I know it isn't light just playing tricks with me? I don't, I assume its real based on other people's accounts and I assume based on what science tells me to believe...

But you see, science only leads on to exmplaining a small part of a large thing. You have to ask how did the individual come to falling, why did that happen, what caused that, back infinitum. That is largely outside the scope of science to prove all causation and effects. Then you have to ask, were all those events coincedence or did they happen for a reason? Well, if it was immediately assumed it happened for a reason, then science would declare the reason(s). If it was considered to be coincedence science wouldn't touch it. Why? Because random events are those that science doesn't understand or cannot prove. This works for everything.

As for the rest, just because something is unusual or rare does not mean that we should jump to supernatural explanations.

Well, it surely seems supernatural until we explain it, then we call it natural. We are not in a position in civilization to determine whether or not God exists is my point.

There is still dispute about whether non-physical entities exist. Until "science" proves them they don't exist.

But anyway, the only reason I decided to say anything at all is because you were trying to question other people's faith. Why should they try to prove anything to you? How are you going to prove he doesn't exists to them, based on what others have told you is real, based on what your fixed senses sense to be real, or is it just your belief?

I suffer from the same affliction, we are all in this together. I would say feeling something to be real is just as real to them as you believing your computer is real. Just remember that everything is ultimately energy, we don't even know what that is either or how it can be manipulated.

[edit on 7-7-2004 by Jamuhn]