1992-2012 : "The Time of No-Time" - Mayans

reply to post by LiveForever8


Okay- I guess in reading your comment about how the whole thing being "a joke that got out of hand" came across as somewhat "arrogant" on the written page.
Please forgive me if that wasn't your intention!

Personally, I'm somewhat torn on the whole 2012 thing. Are we working ourselves into a frenzy over nothing? Or will there be an extinction level event like an asteroid? Or will aliens land?
The problem is- since it's in the future and hasn't happened yet- NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE!!

(Putting on a giant tin-foil hat)
This is what I'd like to think; right at the moment of Dec 21st, 2012 .... there will be an enormous flash bright light up in the sky, we all look upon it for a while and realize that our own body also glowing with light...our physical body starting to turn into a kind of energy then we'll see our brothers and sisters (different ascended entities throughout the universe) welcoming us for now we have become ascended one of them.

reply to post by Skippy1138


There are so many speculations about what these final days Mayan calender mean but.....did nobody ever came with the illuminous idea to just ask them what the reason is for making such a calender?

Can it be that it is just a calender like any other calender but just longer...? I mean,...we also throw away our calender when the year has ended and make a new one for the next year.

Not sure about the debate over this "time of no time', but in answer to your question.
I am 52 years old, Growing up we had 4 tv stations that were available. ABC, NBS, CBS and PBS. The most change that I have see over my many years is the exchange of information. Especially the internet. I have owned a computer, and have had the internet since their beginnings. Back then it never occurred to me that there was more information available other then porn. I am truly amazed how vast and quick that information is exchanged on here. The other night it was so cloudy out that I could not watch the lunar eclipse, so I got online and watched it live on a website. Not one time in the past years have I not been able to find information on any subject that I have chosen to research. I have discovered a wealth of information on this site alone.

I know I'll probably get laughed at, but I'm saying it anyways. If there was a case in which it is referred to as a time of no time, I would have to refer to the technical stages. Some could argue we really haven't accomplished much lately. So it's really like a period of nothing new, so to speak. During 2012, either we will witness a mass ET encounter to suddenly increase our technological stage, or the government will release some of there products that may seem unimaginable today, hence a new age. Another technological age. Just my opinion, we all have one.

Happy Holidays

KyReb.

When i was a kid in the late 50 a year was so long school was endless.

Now i find myselft having to learn someting new every month just to be able to keep my job
and i keep thinking i'm not learning enought.

If I had to venture a guess, I would say that the "time of no-time" is the period in which we get to try "it" for our selfs without guidance.

I mean, the normal balance of things guided by "whomever" (supreme overlord, the stars, God) will not be steered anymore and we get the opportunity to maintain balance our selfs.

Taking of the tinfoil hat now and returning to my coffee.......merry Christmas everybody.

Peace

First we need to get real and understand that the Maya could hardly create a calendar going on to infinity. The end date is just a bigger scale of our end of year, December. And NOWHERE did they predict some catastrophic disaster for this earth. But hey, every man and his dog has jumped on this. Especially the sellers of DVDs, books, films, conferences, tours, survival supplies.... Then we have the growth of the net. Great for the spread of information but also delusion and disinformation. Any old nutter can post on U Tube. And they do....
As for 'the time of no time' - if it WAS said, I have no idea what that means. I am 60 and life has taken a fairly mundane course, the same mix of good and bad as with most people.
Though the pace of life does seem busier. People let themselves get psyched into believing they have to have this and that and end up too busy to take stock or even properly talk. Maybe that's it.

The Mayans didn't measure time like we do now...

I mean, look around. Everyone either lives in the past or the future. More than half the posts on ATS here are emphasizing past events that hardly even matter. The rest are worry-some posts about future events. Got that?

Since we entered this age of high technology, everyone has become obsessed with superficial things and hardly spend any time noticing or enjoying the present moment, THE NOW.

The Mayans and other ancient people were much more in touch with reality, the nature of the universe, and the infinite, present, NOW. This is the space where everything exists, not timelines in your head.

So I'd say its a paradox. To them, this concept of 'time' is majorly fvcked!

What about the internet? That happpened in 1991, but it's close enough right? Also, maybe our calender is slightly off? what if it(whatever "it" is) happens in 2011, if the 20 years is a precise thing?

I'm going to explain this a lil better. What if "the time of no time" is referring to a time with the internet? Time becomes completely irrelevant with respect to things on the internet. It's kind of hard to explain in words what I mean by the internet not having time, but I think you can "see" what I mean.
Lol, I think many of you forgot that the internet hasn't even been around for twenty years.

Originally posted by Trillium
When i was a kid in the late 50 a year was so long school was endless.

Now i find myselft having to learn someting new every month just to be able to keep my job
and i keep thinking i'm not learning enought.

Its nice to learn something new every day... like for instance, right now you just learned how to spell "enough"

As for the maya prediction stuff... I'm not making any wild guesses... I'll just wait. Nice theory tho!

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im guessing "time of no time" might mean time of 00:00. the cycle starts over from 00:00. i have no idea about 1992-2012 maybe margin of error? no idea iv never heard of this "time of no time" stuff. i feel we should celebrate 2012 like new years rather than fear it.


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looking globally, the biggest change was the end of cold war. It started even before 1989, culminating for Central Europe in 1989 Berlin Wall, and 1991 dissolution of USSR. It was not a one day event as you understand. In 1992 the world woke up with one sole superpower USA. Many small countries lined up on a different line, that behind USA. Including former enemies. Several wars followed where USA + some NATO support played a worldwide policeman. That was simply unthinkable before 1989-1991.

I think the Mayans did not invent their calendar, rather the ET who also built their pyramids and the Egypt ones some 13 000 years ago. Now we have a new ET intervention with more than one races and agendas. How far will they reach?

Presently, we live at the mercy or our alarm clocks, and the time clock. We must fulfill our obligations by being on time. Before we recorded time, we woke up when the Sun came up and then we tended to our obligations and we slept when the sun went down. Our internal clock was in tune to the natural cycles. Now we have artificial time, were everything we do is focused around our clocks.... Our modern time keeping tells us when to work, play and sleep, its a man made system of control and not natural.

The Maya are not the only Indigenous people to speak about time at the end. The Hopi also speaks about time:

The prophecies state that if peace were not found after the second shaking, time would speed up. Men would turn themselves into women and women would turn themselves into men. The eagle would go to the moon. Grandchildren would have no time for their grandparents and parents would have no time for their children. But the sign indicating that the third great shaking was upon us, the culmination of the end-times, would be when people went to live in the sky. This sign would indicate that the time for purification had come.

Hopi Prophecy

The Maya may have meant this in literal terms, do we have time to do what we want? We all have no time, we must make time to do the things we really want to do. We are running threw the mazes of our system on a daily basis, I don't have enough time to spend with my kids, to teach them, to just be there for them, because of the lack of time. Time also seems to be speeding up or it might be that events are happening more frequently and that makes it seem that time is moving faster.

According to the Hopi the Great Shaking is at hand.

You have to ask yourself do you believe the teachings of the Ancient Mayan, Hopi, Tibetan, and the host of other Ancient and sacred peoples worldwide that teach us great change is coming and this change is because of us. Or do you believe in this greedy, corrupt series of systems of control?

I keep seeing this phenomenon all over the place, this winnowing out process. There are those that are being awakened and seeing things for what they really are and there are those that are still asleep. Those of us that are awake will ascend to a higher spiritual plane when the time comes, and those that aren't awake, die spiritually. It will be the dawning of a new age. This particular period is the time where we grow spiritually, perhaps go through personal trials to make us stronger. I have hope for the human race.

Just something that occurred to me as well while I was siting here catching up on the thread. I have noticed I seem to lose track of time while I am online. I can be reading and searching for hours, yet it feels like just a few mere moments. Perhaps while my mind is absorbing knowledge there is no time as it doesn't seem to exist if I have the time to just be absorbed. Or for example when one is gaming a sim type game, how many hours are lost there? Time tends to cease as one enters another world.

lol not sure if I am making sense ,but I know what I mean! Hopefully someone else will grasp it as well.

Originally posted by Skippy1138

Originally posted by LiveForever8
reply to post by TechUnique

 

The whole 2012 thing is just a joke that got out of hand.

Can you elaborate on that?

Sure, i can.

The whole 2012 thing is based on a Mayan calendar / prophesy that culminates in 2012.

A joke is an amusing anecdote or saying meant to elicit a humorous response, and the saying getting out of hand refers to something that has gone too far, or has become too elaborate.

(sorry, couldn't resist Happy Xmas!)

OP you are refering to the last or 13th baktun...

This message may help.

'Time of No Time'...
It certainly does not sound like the ancient Maya mindset...
they had 20 different calendars in use all the time.
They were almost obsessed with time & cycles for many levels & reasons



i would say that this 'time of no time' idea is a contemporary idea which
might be based on the time span that the Sun travels through the Galaxy's
"dark rift" area...aka the birth canal in poetic terms

i think i recall that astronomically the Sun rises in this dark rift'
area in the period from 1992 through 2016...but in the Maya katun time line
only the 19.7 year duration of the katun counts --- that is until dec 21st 2012.


i just wonder why we go about idealizing the Maya...remember that the cultural
leadership required death rituals on a regular basis, taking jade knives &
cutting out the beating hearts of their sacrificial people...
so that the timekeeping calendars would continue their chronology, cycles...
so that maize would grow, so squash would be plentiful, so that their community would
not be attacked and their people become the human sacrifices of the neighboring
temple complex calendar priests.
what a brutal world they lived in...but all that seems to be lost in the modern mind
as things like an 'Ascension', a 'global consciousness' acceleration takes place
-all based somehow on a social order that needed bloody human sacrifices to sustain the world-



We are only refering to the 'Long Count' calendar, which terminates in 2012 our time.
A 'New' long count calendar begins at the moment when the Sun, which is already
in the 'dark rift', actually rises less an 1/2 degree from the area
known as the 'World Tree' that is nestled within the 'dark rift'...
(then begins the 'birth' of the new Long-Count or the 'new Age' as some would say)
[[ think of the concept: 'World Tree'... as comparable to 'Tree of Life' to the modern mind ]]


to my sensibilities, much of the supposed Maya calendar mysteries are the ideas
created by modern writers with very creative imaginations... this present meme
of 'time-of-no-time' is ramped up to generate more interest in the 2012 myth,
as most of the angles have already been exhausted.


thanks & have a good New Years' celebration

Folks, the Mayans had a civilization.

They left records.

Since "New Age" tourists started taking an interest in the Mayans and Aztecs (Carlos Castaneda is partly responsible for this in the 1970's), what the "elders" have said has changed greatly. Much of it now matches what the New Age Tourists wanted to hear.

So, two questions need to be investigated:
1) What do the original Codexes say? There are several and they are found in libraries around the world. Translations are available. This is probably one of the better archives of traditional material.

2) What does source material written BEFORE 1960 (pre "New Age" -- before the tourists showed up and started paying lots of dollars to people who told them what they wanted to hear and offered "mystical experiences" (that they would pay a lot of money for) to these tourists) say about the Mayans and their traditions and legends? A number of "Mayan elders" are actually fakes.

Meanwhile, here's a good page with some good source material on what we learned and what we are learning
www.ancientx.com...

Don't go on what you feel/think/expect. The Mayans were a literate civilization with intelligent people and a complex social structure. Find out what THEY wrote -- don't do like some of the websites out there where the author thinks they can look at a photo and just "get" what "Little Blue Bird" said to "High Mountain" about "peace and love and galactic order". Ask to see the source.)
* check the glyphs (don't just blindly believe that someone translated it)
* make sure there are photos to match any drawings (there are fake "Mayan monument drawings")
* check the codexes
* Read up on the history of the Quecha (the Mayans who retreated to the hills when the Spanish came.)

That's what "Ancient History" is all about -- learning what they wrote and not what we imagine.