Weird Things About The Moon...

reply to post by dragonridr

A planetary device, patented by Manuel da Silva Marques, demonstrates that the moon, contrary to what is said, has no rotational motion, as if it had not always show on Earth the same face. This statement contradicts the false truth that the Moon performs a rotation movement around its own axis as it describes a translation movement around the Earth.

In encyclopedias, the phenomenon is explained as follows: "The Moon revolves around the Earth in 27.32 days. At the same time fulfills a complete rotation around its axis. It is due to its rotation shows that the Moon to the Earth where the same face. "

We do not understand how a supposedly scientific theory complicates and confuses what the explanation is simple. Firstly, the Moon does not perform two different movements with the same duration, but a single movement.

If the moon to run simultaneously two different movements, the movement of translation through its hidden face would then be facing the earth because of its hypothetical rotation (see illustration).

files.abovetopsecret.com...

Thus, the Moon only performs a move around the Earth, not realizing at the same time any movement around its own axis.

If the moon to perform a rotation movement around its own axis, the Earth does not always show the same face as the Earth does not show the sun always the same face. And if ever that happens - as some astronomers envision - one hemisphere land is permanently dark.

The explanation that "the moon always shows the same face due to its rotation 'is only understandable if read in reverse:" How has no rotation, the Moon always shows the same face. "

We are therefore facing a pseudo-scientific thesis, without head or tail - which led to Manuel da Silva Marques global patenting a device to clarify the truth.

This apparatus consists of two small spheres, which represent the moon, and a larger sphere representing the Earth. One of the small spheres representing the moon without the movement of rotation and having only translational motion around the Earth, the other small ball represents the moon with the movement of rotation around its axis and translational motion around Earth. "As this last ball does not always present the same face to Earth, it is clear that the moon has no rotation around its axis."

This 'truth machine' makes it clear that the moon only describes a movement around the Earth, not running simultaneously on itself.

Astronomers with Portuguese published books subscribe to the thesis of the two lunar movements, but merely pay lip service to it and avoid explaining it, especially through a drawing.

As regards a professor of Geometry, 'the view that the Moon performs a rotation movement around its own axis is an affront to human intelligence. "

The planetarium built by Manuel da Silva Marques can be visited by students and other interested persons by contacting the inventor

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Phobos seems a good example of a moon "naturally " anomalous. If that thing is really a moon. Our moon has no rotation. Only the translation.

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The assumptions that the interior of the Moon is hollow began to be raised before the first visit by astronauts to the satellite. In 1962, NASA scientist dr. Gordon MacDonald, reviewing the information on the density of Earth and comparing with the density of the moon, much less concluded that this difference would only be justified if the moon were hollow. The low density was not compatible with a homogeneous sphere. A similar idea was denfendida by dr. Harold Urey, who holds a Nobel prize, he suggests that the moon contains a cavity. The same view was endorsed by dr. Sean C. Salomon, MIT said: "... the moon may be hollow."

.....Now the moon anomalies there is unusual formations on earth...

To me, there is some "natural formations" that are more than natural. They are supernatural

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
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But there is more here on ATS.

I dont need more proof, but i always respect who thinks in another way. So I agree i disagree with you, Happy christmas.

reply to post by GhostR1der


Yeh.. This is form some Ancient texts:

Ancient texts, found in Europe and South America speak of people who lived on earth at a time when the moon did not exist. In Greece, this time is called "Procelene" ie, "Before the Moon. " In South America, symbols found on the wall of Kalasasaya Courtyard, near the city of Tiahuanaco (Bolivia), record the first appearance of the Moon for 12 thousand years ago. The emergence of "new"star would have caused a great imbalance geological causing earthquakes, floods and climate change. the legendary Atlantis and cataclysms have caused the destruction of the mythical civilization. The idea of a world without Moon survives in oral tradition from his native Bogota and east of the Andes in Colombia but the contradictions become confusing this story is in the rearmost time, 23,000 years ago, the Paleolithic, the knowledge of the phases of the moon existed .

A gif to see more clearly whats going on.





Now which one is rotating?

reply to post by RUSSO


You know, when you start a thread about the Moon, and make sweeping statements, you oughta check to be sure they're accurate. Your initial essay about "rotation" is terribly off the mark....but it is a very, very common misconception, among a lot of people who have trouble visualizing the reality of three dimensional movement. Your own attempts to say that the "translational movement" accounts for the one hemisphere always facing Earth is disputed by the very examples you included....AND, actually we see a total of more than 50%...about 59% overall, due to the INEXACT timing of the gravitational lock, combined with the eccentricity of the Moon's orbit.

I bring up eccentricity, because THAT is really what you are referring to, technically, when you wrote this:

The Moon is the only satellite in the solar system that has an almost perfectly circular orbit.

Wrong, sorry.

The actual (mean) eccentricity of the Moon's orbit is about 0.05%:

Mean eccentricity .....................0.0549006
(0.026 – 0.077)

en.wikipedia.org...

Note, also, the apogee and perigee distances...this blows away any "artificial" claims made by some people...in the sense proposed of it being "too perfectly positioned to be natural":

Distance at perigee ~364397 km
Distance at apogee ~406731 km

That's a difference of 42,334 kilometers. The Earth's diameter is only about 12,750 km. The Moon's distance varies by nearly four times the Earth's diameter!

Of course, this means the Moon's relative "apparent" size, viewed from Earth, changes. Here's an image to compare apogee and perigee relative "sizes":



So, no it is NOT "placed perfectly" to "exactly" cover the Sun's disc....

Finally, back to this:

The Moon is the only satellite in the solar system that has an almost perfectly circular orbit.

Recall, our moon's eccentricity of about 0.05% ---- compare to just these moons of another planet...I chose to feature Jupiter, just because it's the largest....and include, here, only the four biggest moons:

Io -- eccentricity = 0.0041

Europa -- eccentricity = 0.0094

Ganymede -- eccentricity = 0.0011

Callisto -- eccentricity = 0.0074

en.wikipedia.org...

Sorry, but the sources that make claims about "anomalies"? They require further fact-checking, usually......and they are based on very poor understandings of actual science, and celestial mechanics, and other disciplines.

Again:

Moon = 0.05
Europa = 0.0094

(Europa has the MOST eccentric orbit of the above four). AND, "0.0094" is about five 1/2 times less than "0.05".

reply to post by D.Wolf


That's a darn good job, using the OP's own image, to animate and clearly demonstrate.

I have found this YouTube video to be perfect as well....it requires people to have the spatial awareness abilities to visualize....but it really helps a lot in that regard.

Since it seems to STILL confuse some, think of it like this: Imagiine YOU are floating above the Earth's north pole, looking down. In the video, the scale is changed, making the Moon much closer than reality, just to make it fit on the screen. (Note a very important point, too...the direction of the Moon's orbit. It is the same as the Earth's rotation. This gives further evidence to the theory of the Moon's formation, ~4 billion years ago, from a giant impact occurring between the Earth and another large body).

The Moon in the animation has the red-shaded hemisphere, which remains in the SAME PART of the Moon, the whole time, for illustration only...so you can see the rotation. Not to be confused with the shadow, of the "day/night" cycle that occurs on the Moon, as it rotates. Because, IF you could be living on the Moon, you would experience "day" and "night", since it rotates about its axis, just as Earth does. However, of course, each "day" and each "night" will last about 336 hours....or, about 14 Earth days.....:

reply to post by weedwhacker


The eccentricity of a circle is zero.
The eccentricity of an ellipse which is not a circle is greater than zero but less than 1.
The eccentricity of a parabola is 1.
The eccentricity of a hyperbola is greater than 1

But i agree with you, "our moon is not the only to have a almost perfect circular orbit.

reply to post by weedwhacker


If it rotated around its axis, it is obvious that at a certain moment would change his face to the earth. What needs to be clear here, is that they are TWO independent movements. Rotation is rotation and translation Translation is, period.
You can take the test: Draw a circle on the floor and walk on top of the line of the circle in one direction. Imagine that your left is the face of the Moon is always turned to Earth. Note that the left will always come back to the center of the circle, and if you do not rotate around itself and never change direction, NEVER, NEVER will show your right to the center of the circle. Thus, it is easy to invent an argument that has the same rotation speed as the Translational

reply to post by weedwhacker


The point is:

If the moon to run simultaneously two different movements, the movement of translation through its hidden face would then be facing the earth because of its hypothetical rotation (see illustration).

files.abovetopsecret.com...

Thus, the Moon only performs a move around the Earth, not realizing at the same time any movement around its own axis.

If the moon to perform a rotation movement around its own axis, the Earth does not always show the same face as the Earth does not show the sun always the same face. And if ever that happens - as some astronomers envision - one hemisphere land is permanently dark.

The explanation that "the moon always shows the same face due to its rotation 'is only understandable if read in reverse:" How has no rotation, the Moon always shows the same face.

reply to post by weedwhacker

Something Wrong With The Sun Moon & Earth
Sun Moon & Earth out of kilter 01.55 Hrs 19th November 2010 Wiltshire UK So what has happened To The Moon it looks to be almost 90 degrees out of kilter !

Wonder Why The Public Isn't Being Told About This, why the media blackout Is This Not IMPORTANT ?

If the Moon does not Rotate And the Sun is always at the centre of our little corner of the Universe

What does this say about the orbit of The Earth, it's Rotation ? Something Strange & Unusual has happened Or is Happening !

Our Governments Are Not Telling Us No Change there then !

The Sun has been in the wrong place for the last 2 years that I've/We have noticed, and is lower on the Southern horizon again this winter, this we know & and can tell from our roof shadow cast in our north facing garden.! Here, the Sun is almost as low as it would be around Mid December that's 4 weeks or so out of sync !

Many good friends have confirmed their observations of the Sun in that, around the globe, we are definitely receiving the Sun's Rays from a differing angle over the past 2 years or so, this then helps us to understand my Moon observations as being in step with some form of Change within Our Galaxy....

We have confirmation in another video ( In My Favs) some positive viewers observations, and some contradictions, which is what we expect on any issue., thanks for taking part.

As Reported by many friends from differing parts of the globe, the Sun Has been "off track" for at least 2 years..

I'd like to offer these few lines ..

1 .. From around the globe, folk agree that the Sun Is Not doing it's usual thing, reports going back two years tell us this ... anyone looking for a change in tidal patterns would have to look back in time to find any change, when the Earth must have tilted.
There was a suspected "Tilt" of 3 degrees or so following the Tsunami of 2004.

Images of our Moon at this time show without doubt that: it has rotated slightly ! Why? .. Has something smashed into it ??? our friend from Hawaii Video observes a strange secondary glow about the Moon, which could be "Ejecta" from the bombing a while back?.. as well as capturing Similar images to mine !**

2 .. As the Sun is out of it's trajectory, this indicates that the Earth has Tilted slightly.

3 .. The Moon does not spin & certainly not on an north east to south west axis ! Though it rotates once in every revolution around the Earth, Thus, We Always see the same face, well we used to that is.!

4 .. The position of the Sun & Moon combine to create our ocean's tidal patterns

5 .. If the distance between the Sun, Moon & Earth remains the same a good guess would be that tides would have changed slightly allowing for Earth's slight Tilting. Then settling.

6 .. Tidal observations show that: In 2008 all around the globe there Were "Unusual & Unexplained Tidal Changes" many low & high tides in a short space of time on the same day !!.

7 .. Does anyone KNOW the date the Earth Tilted ? .. Without a doubt, it was more than 2 years ago !

The Earth orbits the Sun in an elliptical orbit being closest to it on 3rd January 2011 in this cycle.

I could not find one image on the internet that shows the Same image as captured here in This video.

If anyone can find an image please Do Post the URL for All to see.

Google "Waxing Gibbous Moon November 19 2010" search out the images, not Phase calendar, as these do not show the Moon's Features in the main.
Remember, I'm talking FEATURES, Not the Terminator Shadow Line
Peace.

Something rotating here?

reply to post by RUSSO


I don't know how else to demonstrate it to you....the Moon rotates on its axis. You have been given plenty of evidence to show the reality of this fact, yet you insist in believing the junk (as in the post just after this one I'm replying to) about Earth's angle of tilt being "different" in the last several years, and other nonsense.

There are predictable star charts, and planetary motion charts, that were devised hundreds of years ago...and are STILL ACCURATE TODAY! SO, that baloney is just a load from the rear of a steer....

One more thing, you might not have realized....but if you visualize it, will make sense.

When you are on the Moon, because of its rotation, and keeping the majority of its hemisphere facing the Earth, then IF you in that near hemisphere, the position of the Earth in your "sky" will vary only slightly....so slightly that it will appear to "hover" in the same place, continually. Even as it rotates "above" you...as the Earth spins on its own axis, every 24 hours.

You will also see the earth go through "phases", as the angle of the Sun's shadow changes, due to YOUR relative position (as you "ride" the Moon around its orbit).

It is a shame if you can't begin to realize this, and get your logic working properly. Still, some people aren't as adept at spatial relationship visualizations....

This is what Alex Collier said about the moon. Fast-foward to 7:57 and listen.

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by OZtracized
The moon does spin on it's axis, it just doesn't appear to from Earth. Look at your illustration of the open wheeler orbiting the Earth. It rotates through 360 degrees. The gravitational pull of the moon attracts asteroids and acts as a shield for the Earth and because the dark side is always facing away from Earth, it stands to reason that it will cop the majority of impacts. In fact, if the moon has always faced us on one side, the only craters visible must have been caused by impacts from debris from the Earth (O.K., not necessarily but see my point?).

It is remarkably convenient that we have this shield and I dare say we probably would not be here if it wasn't for the moon protecting us from evolution hampering missiles. A little too convenient.............

if the moon spins on its axis, how is the same side always facing the earth?

reply to post by Metallica4U


Alex Collier is out for attention.

Period.

He has zero crediblity, is just spinning tall tales....because once he started, he had a tiger by the tail and knew he had to ride it out.

BTW, "Alex Collier" is not his real (original) name. Should research into his period of incarceration (in his younger years....twenties), in Federal prison, under his birth name (I forget it, atm...it's in one of the threads about him, on ATS...).

Good work op s&f

here are recent dark side pictures released by Nasa; considering that this is the side that always faces outer space it doesn't look that "battered" as one would expect..
www.dailymail.co.uk...

reply to post by weedwhacker


So, it means that if a person goes to jail that person loses his credibility? Like Mandela, Gandhi and Martin Luther King.

reply to post by weedwhacker


So, the moon rotates in a such perfect manner to always show the same "face" that would be better explained if its dynamics were artificially conceived? What are the odds of that happening? What are the odds to win the lottery playing just one time?

Thanks. This was exactly what I wanted to know.

reply to post by RUSSO


NO....but it's not a great indication of future integrity, in many instances. He's found a lucrative scam, to play on people's gullibility....it's legal, if not ethical.

In any case, his claims have no merit, they have been debunked. Long time now. (ATS Search seems to be down, atm...or I'd link to threads).

SO, he's scamming, knowing full well it's an act. OR, he is actually believing everything he says, which means he's just loony. Probably a little of both....the human mind is complex, and self-delusion can manifest in many different ways.....

reply to post by RUSSO

So, the moon rotates in a such perfect manner to always show the same "face" that would be better explained if its dynamics were artificially conceived? What are the odds of that happening?

It's not about the "odds". It is all the celestial mechanics, and gravitational attraction.

The majority of the satellites in our Solar System are also gravitationally locked. The Moon reached that condition a very long time ago....for the first few billions of years after it formed, it rotated much faster (as did the Earth). It also was much closer...had a lower orbit.

Has been gradually spiraling away, since it formed.....you should look up the law of conservation of angular momentum, for one aspect to understand what has been happening for all those eons. Also, look up the Roche Limit. Torque. Many things.

csep10.phys.utk.edu...

en.wikipedia.org...

Wiki link above has handy jump to List of Known Tidally Locked Bodies in our Solar System.

There's a wealth of research, just on the Webz......

reply to post by weedwhacker


"The shape of the world in which man is born is already in him as a virtual image"
(Carl Jung)

I dont think self-delusion is the goal in that case.

reply to post by angelonholiday


In that Daily Mail link you are looking (Pic #1) at the Moon's south pole...and part of the hemisphere that FACES EARTH!! (With all the maria).

Pic #2?? View looking down on the north pole, again....with the side that faces us prominent.

etc....... Read the captions.......

And, just because one hemisphere faces away? Makes little difference in terms of potential for any impacts by meteors. The Moon is far enough away to have equal chance of being hit from all directions. Not everything "flying around" in space as debris will fall into the Earth's gravity well, and hit us instead. In fact, the Earth's gravity can contribute to deflecting something just enough...it will skirt the Earth, but then possibly hit the Moon....and, it wouldn't have been attracted to alter its trajectory EXCEPT for the fact that the Earth was there, to attract it just enough!!

Here, this is fun....at the top, Earth and Mars, to scale (side-by-side). THEN, you have to scroll down, to see the Moon....at scale size, and relative scale distance, based on the sizes on the page:

www.astrodigital.org...

Lots of empty space, there......

Here's another link, side view:

www.freemars.org...