WikiLeaks: Cuba banned Sicko for depicting 'mythical' healthcare system!

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

 

Run by and for Cuban Americans. The US is as close as Cubans can get to Cuba and keep their free speech.

I'm quite certain that it is every bit as objective as Radio Free Europe was...
So you're disputing that the US embargo is affecting the Cuban economy? And completely dodging the American hypocrisy in keeping it up while awarding China most favoured nation trade status?

Naw...I'm not going to continue this argument because, ultimately if I win the debate at its highest levels...there go the beaches. I've dealt with east-block relatives, I know what propaganda is and I also know when a discussion is not worth pursuing. I went through the same process with knowledgeable Americans telling me all about my health care system.

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck



Giving up that easily?

Do you think I agree with how we do business with China or Cuba?

If anything my arguments showed what a crap policy the embargo turned out to be.

I'm more Jeffersonian on the matter, trade with all, no political entanglement or treaties of military alliances.

You seem to be glossing over the fact that I'm Cuban. I wasn't born in the US either. I was born in Costa Rica to Cubans who had to ESCAPE Cuba. Any country you have to ESCAPE is crap.

But we were told Cuba has the best healthcare system in the world.
I wonder how the Moore heads will spin one?

Will Moore now be forced to un-bail Assange and have him thrown back in the slammer?

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

 

You seem to be glossing over the fact that I'm Cuban. I wasn't born in the US either. I was born in Costa Rica to Cubans who had to ESCAPE Cuba. Any country you have to ESCAPE is crap.

OK, and I was born in Canada to Germans, one of whom had to ESCAPE East Germany. I was in Germany and not allowed to cross into the East because my security couldn't be assured. I have been to Cuba...before the fall of the SU, and since. I'm aware of the starvation during that time...while the US enjoyed its embargo. I'm no expert...but I have a hunch.

In addition, having dealt first-hand with the sociology of the 'running from the Commies' ex-pat experience...rather than 'giving up', let's just say that I don't feel like playing.

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck


Oh I see...So the experience from those you disagree with is invalid to you...

The obvious economic mismanagement by the Cuban government doesn't matter then? The people who had to escape Cuba, their experiences don't count? Why?

Michael Moore responded on his website and he addressed the "banned" portion but naturally not the accuracy of the care portion and how available to all it is. Typical Moore...

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

 

Oh I see...So the experience from those you disagree with is invalid to you...
The obvious economic mismanagement by the Cuban government doesn't matter then? The people who had to escape Cuba, their experiences don't count? Why?

Chill, Dude. We are simply not going to change each other's minds so in the spirit of the season, I decline the debate. We've presented our respective opinions...I'm leaving it there.

Hope you get to see the homeland soon...it's a beautiful place and I really like the people.

Originally posted by salty_wagyu
I liked Sicko, and the free healthcare of the NHS in the UK part was accurate as far as I can see.

Do americans really have to pay $120 for a simple asthma inhaler btw?

an advair inhaler can cost that much, but my daughters rescue inhaler is around 60 dollars, then her insulin runs around 200 a month, testing strips 200 a month, she cant afford them so she doesn't test like she should,her work place insurance took half her check a week yet doesn't cover her preexisting, so she dropped it.

Now She has no insurance but the doctors frequently give her insulin also drug companies will provide, otherwise it all comes out of her pocket,

Oh I forgot the cost of needles,

If she could afford the pump maybe she would be healthier, but it is over 7,000 dollars,

Since she is type one, I think she should have free medical coverage, it isn't fair that a 23 year old has to beg to stay alive.

Originally posted by snusfanatic
reply to post by salty_wagyu

 

no. i've had many asthma inhalers in my life and never had to pay $120. 85% of our people are insured, and life is fine. not saying greater medicare coverage, etc wouldn't be a bad idea. but the dumping on the us healthcare system is a little outrageous at times.

Not according to what I have been reading in a thread right here on ATS! I shall provide a link to it if I can, but it's titled "I Spent 3 hours in the ER on the 15th. I just got my $11,000.00 bill in the mail."
So, if you haven't paid $120 for an asthma inhaler it sounds like you've been pretty lucky!
Vicky
Healthcare thread

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

 

Run by and for Cuban Americans. The US is as close as Cubans can get to Cuba and keep their free speech.

Check edits for something more palatable.

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Correct me if I am wrong, but the impression I have of Cubans in the USA is that they're all pretty rightist, and all pretty wealthy.
They seem to have a lot of influence in the media! Fact is, that ever since I learned that Bobby Fischer died in exile, being subject to arrest if he returned to the USA, for the "crime" of playing a chess match in Cuba, I have been pretty sour on the idea of Cuba as an evil communist dictatorship vs the "Land of the Free"
Vicky

Oh, thank God for wikileaks, and for julian assange. WHERE WOULD WE BE WITHOUT HIM?

I wonder what's next?

i believe the paradox is even thou moore didnt show the cost of health care in cuba
is the cost of health care in general

how can it be that it cost less then 100 bucks in one country and more then 10k in an other for the same treatment

my story with the finnish health care system ( which you americans call social for some reason) is something im very gratefull for

i dislodged a disk in my back some years ago while trying to move a pool table , my spine bent inwards and i fell to to ground un able to move due to pain cause by spinal fluids leaking in to places where they should not have gone ,
if i recall correctly my first bill was around 35 euros that included everything so i could get home from the hospital ,
after that first bill and the 5 years after i think ive paid the equalient of a 100 euros or so for x rays, checkups medicine and rehabilitation therapy ,

and we get this throu taxation , and if you visit the hospital more then 10? times a year the rest of your hospital trips are free ,

how can it be that a small nation such as finland can do this with a population of 5.5 million and a nation such as the.us cant to it with a population on 300+m that even pay a higher fee in insurances on top of tax ?

some how the logic escapes the window for me ,

Now I understand why projectvxn is such a rabid capitalist and is so incensed at anything that might be "socialism", his parents fled a communist country. And the cuban american media is fiercly anti-communist/socialist/marxist/whatever since it was infiltrated for propaganda purposes by the CIA long ago, so you grow up listening to that kind of right wing stuff. Its a common sort of thing, i can completely understand.

not to go off topic, but projectvxn, doesnt it bother you that you have to align yourself with people who generally dislike people like your parents (ie refugees from other countries) because you share an economic theory with them (republicans)? Thats what I never understood about that contradiction.

you seem so ready to stretch the line only to serve people that wouldnt have cared if your parents died in a raft on the ocean.....

Originally posted by zerbot565

my story with the finnish health care system ( which you americans call social for some reason) is something im very gratefull for

And for some reason, americans think they arent brainwashed
and they also think beck and hannity and oreilly really are speaking for their best interests.

We are the biggest idiots in the world and think we are the best and brightest, and "spreading freedom".

I am sersiouly scared at how easy the public is manipulated. Whats so funny, is that so many believe that "the other side" is manipulating them, and that they think they see right through it, when your post shows that obviously do not.

reply to post by snusfanatic


Maybe you haven't but I use an inhaler that would cost $120 without insurance. I also use another inhaler that is $45 WITH insurance. Still too much and I need that for my asthma.

Still can't defend the U.S healthcare system for another reason: The outright arrogance of doctors and their attitudes toward patients.

reply to post by Vicky32


They certainly are arrogant and people in Florida eat them up as politicians.

I'm sure if the Diaz-Balarts and so forth were alive in the 50s, they'd be Batista supporters. He was backed by the U.S.

reply to post by ZindoDoone


Hahahaha, the Guardian's late to the party...and 100% wrong with their article.

Wikileaks didn't claim the movie wasn't shown in Cuba, a US diplomatic cable did...if you actually bother checking up by calling cinemas in Cuba, you realize that it's a blatant lie and the movie was actually shown in Cuba. The Bush lackies during that time just weren't happy about it, that's all...so they "twisted the facts" a bit, wasn't the first time...they also tried to prevent New Zealand from showing the movie

Does not really say how it is wrong only that it is wrong.

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by ZindoDoone

 

...they also tried to prevent New Zealand from showing the movie

True, as we've just recently learned... Despicable, as Porky Pig says.,..
Vicky

This article is demonstrating how in one of the cables the AMERICAN DIPLOMAT WROTE: the movie was BANNED in Cuba.... WHICH WE KNOW IS A LIE

The american diplomat who wrote the cable LIED to the US Aministration ...

The movie was NOT banned in Cuba!

It IS as SIMPLE as THAT!