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WikiLeaks: Cuba banned Sicko for depicting 'mythical' healthcare system!

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posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 08:59 AM
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This kinda jerks a knot in Ole' Michael's tail over another of his misinformation/propaganda films! I wonder how he'll spin this to his advantage!

Zindo

Sicko is bogus!

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Amelia Hill guardian.co.uk, Friday 17 December 2010 21.30 GMT

WikiLeaks: Cuba banned Sicko for depicting 'mythical' healthcare system! Authorities feared footage of gleaming hospital in Michael Moore's Oscar-nominated film would provoke a popular backlash

A WikiLeaks cable reveals that when Michael Moore's film was shown to Cuban doctors, they were 'disturbed at the blatant misrepresentation of healthcare in Cuba'. Photograph: Max Whittaker/Reuters

Cuba banned Michael Moore's 2007 documentary, Sicko, because it painted such a "mythically" favourable picture of Cuba's healthcare system that the authorities feared it could lead to a "popular backlash", according to US diplomats in Havana.

But the memo reveals that when the film was shown to a group of Cuban doctors, some became so "disturbed at the blatant misrepresentation of healthcare in Cuba that they left the room".

Castro's government apparently went on to ban the film because, the leaked cable claims, it "knows the film is a myth and does not want to risk a popular backlash by showing to Cubans facilities that are clearly not available to the vast majority of them."

Sicko investigated healthcare in the US by comparing the for-profit, non-universal US system with the non-profit universal health care systems of other countries, including Cuba, France and the UK.




posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 09:12 AM
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I'm not really a fan of Michael Moore...and I've never been to Cuba, but I did see Sicko and its depiction of the UK healthcare system which I can verify as being pretty accurate.



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by christina-66
I'm not really a fan of Michael Moore...and I've never been to Cuba, but I did see Sicko and its depiction of the UK healthcare system which I can verify as being pretty accurate.


Same goes for Canada...not perfect but universal. And Cuba? still worth a visit. If, in fact, you have the freedom to do so.



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 09:51 AM
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It kinda doesn't, though. Sicko was not banned in Cuba and was in fact aired nationally. The idiot diplomat either got it wrong or was spreading misinformation.

also, lern2healthcare.


www.guardian.co.uk...



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 10:06 AM
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Originally posted by gghhgghh
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It kinda doesn't, though. Sicko was not banned in Cuba and was in fact aired nationally. The idiot diplomat either got it wrong or was spreading misinformation.
also, lern2healthcare.
www.guardian.co.uk...


With all of this fooferah over Moore and Cuba, I am continually amazed that Americans docilely accept being forbidden to visit there. The fact that China and America are BFFs makes this even more oh-so-hypocritical.

Mind you...lot's of room on the beaches.



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 03:46 PM
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My parents are Cuban refugees...They thought Sicko was a comedy.

What Moore failed to tell his audience is that the services the lady in the movie received were only available to her because SHE'S FOREIGN. She can afford the care and is therefore not a burden on the State. If you noticed she DID pay. Sure it was 5 American cents per scrip, plus maybe 100 or 200 bucks for the visit overall, but they didn't show that part...No, Moore wanted you to believe it's all free and better than anything in America.


This story makes me


Case in point from the article:


Castro's government apparently went on to ban the film because, the leaked cable claims, it "knows the film is a myth and does not want to risk a popular backlash by showing to Cubans facilities that are clearly not available to the vast majority of them."


I've been saying this since that stupid "documentary" came out a few years ago.
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posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 03:54 PM
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It may not have been banned, but after reading the other article in rebuttal to this one, the fact remains that Moore picked an atypical location for his little propaganda film...So, he's STILL a liar.



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 03:55 PM
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ug. i can't stand michael moore. the fact that that dude won an oscar just sickens me. what ever happened to good old fashioned documentaries?



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 04:21 PM
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I liked Sicko, and the free healthcare of the NHS in the UK part was accurate as far as I can see.

Do americans really have to pay $120 for a simple asthma inhaler btw?



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 04:38 PM
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no. i've had many asthma inhalers in my life and never had to pay $120. 85% of our people are insured, and life is fine. not saying greater medicare coverage, etc wouldn't be a bad idea. but the dumping on the us healthcare system is a little outrageous at times.



posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 04:39 PM
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Yes and no, but you have to understand that in this country we've had a managed care scheme for the last 4 and a half decades. It's a government scheme designed to inflate health care costs so that insurance companies and lawyers can make money.

Managed care has never done much of anything except raise costs over time... Out-pacing inflation by 30%.

In all of this time the same things have been said, we're going to fix it, we're going to fix it, we're going to fix it, and the system just becomes more and more unsustainable.

When you add layers of bureaucracy to any industry the final product that industry puts out will end up costing more and more in the end. And here we are, with our $120 inhalers, and we blame the free market? There was no free market to begin with!
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posted on Dec, 18 2010 @ 09:05 PM
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Thank you Amigo, That's exactly the point I have been making since this debacle was passed. The only thing wrong with our health care system is the intrusion of ignorant bureaucrats injecting their stupid progressive ideas into law by politicians who don't have anything to do with the normal every day medical system. They have a completely different system that they some how ignore doesn't match what their constituents have to deal with!

Zindo



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 08:56 AM
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I talked with my mother about this story yesterday. And she wanted me to clarify a few points(Yes she reads my ATS posts):

1. Cuba has some of the best doctors in the known universe. I don't think that is under contention. Cuban doctors with organization like Doctors without Borders have have done an immense amount of good around the world. That said, the system these doctors have to work under in Cuba is severely limiting. They have few supplies, they ration worse than anything seen in any other system of socialized medicine. Some people never have the opportunity to be treated for their particular ailment because of hospital overcrowding.

The people they do help, they do wonders for. As I said, the medical techniques and expertise these doctors offer are second to none...When they can offer it, and if they have the proper equipment. Technology like this is not possible in Cuba, as innovation is stifled by government heavy handedness.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 09:56 AM
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Cuba also has a habit of ordering medical supplies/food/and raw materials and not paying for them. I have seen cargo ships sitting in Canadian ports waiting for checks to clear so potatos could be loaded aboard while other commodities already loaded in the holds was decaying! I have also delivered truckloads fertilizer bound for Cuba that sits in warehouses for months.
It;s not the people that is the problem it's the statist/Marxist/dictatorial government that is the problem! As usual!

Zindo



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by ZindoDoone
It;s not the people that is the problem it's the statist/Marxist/dictatorial government that is the problem! As usual!
Zindo


And how much of this grief is directly caused by the US embargo...including banking!

Yet now your country's new BFF is China. What hypocrisy!



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 10:02 AM
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Very little actually.


The US trade embargo on Cuba has had less and less economic effect over the decades on the Cuban regime precisely because they've found other sources of imports from places like China...Who, by the way, make more stuff than the US and are friendly to Cuba. They buy from Iran as well, they buy from the EU, they buy from the ME, Central and South America, hell they buy from Canada! No, Cuba is NOT isolated. That is a myth, at least it is today. When the embargo went into effect it was devastating because the US still had the lions share of goods produced in the world. That is no longer the case and hasn't been for 2 decades.

ETA:
Today, Cuba's problems can be directly attributed to the mismanagement of their central economic planning commission and a lack of Liberty..Socially and economically.
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posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
Cuba is NOT isolated. That is a myth, at least it is today.

Then much has changed in a year, cuz that's when I was there last. Yourself?



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 10:53 AM
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I'm not allowed in Cuba sir. No one in my family here in the US is.

But I talk to family who have to live there when you go home to Canada.
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Here's what changed in the last year, changes a long time coming:

The Cuban economy - This time it’s different - opinion(The Havana Journal)

And this:

Cash-strapped Cuba imposes cuts


The Cuban government has imposed drastic cuts in imports and has ordered tough austerity measures as the global financial crisis starts to hit the communist island's state-run economy.
Cubans face cut-backs in electricity and public transport as well as shortages in the shops.


This seems to be a trend among all the nations with central economic planning and socialist economic policies.

The BBC makes the point that because of the embargo they have no access to IMF and World Bank funding...EVERY country who has taken money from either of those organizations have become bailout slaves.

Sure, in the good times, every one is equal-in bad times, everyone equally suffers...No buffers at all. Even during the Great Depression the US STILL had economic activity..People were still making a living. And we got out of it. Places like Cuba and North Korea can come up with the money for nukes and military pacts and deals with foreign countries, but apparently they can't come up with the money for electricity and food FFS! The problems in Cuba have nothing to do with the US..That excuse can't be made anymore. It is the lack of Liberty that is to blame in Cuba.
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posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 11:12 AM
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We do know that the Havana Journal is a Massachusetts-based company, right?



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 11:13 AM
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Run by and for Cuban Americans. The US is as close as Cubans can get to Cuba and keep their free speech.

Check edits for something more palatable.
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