Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by truthseeker1984
You see if you think the government owes them the money for a University Education , that is the problem.
Not once in my statement did I say that. I stated that the kids have grown up knowing that they would be able to go to University for very little
money, and now the UK government is pulling the proverbial rug out from underneath their feet. It is wrong and you know it.
People are used to handouts and have come to think the world owes them everything. It is in essence saying people you don't know owe you money
just because you exist.
Some people think that way. I can think of many in the USA that think that way: 3rd generation Welfare abusers. I agree with you on that point. I
don't agree with you that these students don't deserve what the government has been giving them for years. At the very least, continue the current
tuition rates for the students already enrolled. Don't punish them for the government's lack of foresight in their financial matters.
I grew up with no Grants, no government guaranteed loans and I paid my way by working, the same way generations have before mine. It was hard,
but if I can do it so can these kids. All it takes is the desire. Desire is the difference between success in life and failure. Going through life
living on handouts is insane in fact.
Well, I can tell you that for my education, there were not enough hours in the day to work and go to school and pay, in full, every semester for my
room and board. I took government loans. I have to pay them back. Does that make me a bad person? I respect you for earning your education the
hard way. Not enough people do that anymore. But it still doesn't change my views on the situation at hand.
The Government has no money. They take money away form those who produce it through hard work and innovation and then give it to others to buy
votes or support. It's a simple thing. When kids start thinking money comes from thin air and do not understand that behind it is hard work and
productivity, it is child abuse in my mind. You teach them that lesson by actually Parenting them.
This has nothing to do with parenting, in my opinion. This has everything to do with the UK government taking away a long standing program, which for
many students, may be the only way to pay for a higher education. When was the last time that you saw jobs available anywhere in the world?
Especially jobs that would pay for a college education? This is a program that has been in place for a long time. This money should be considered an
investment in the future. The same people that you say work hard to produce the money for the government, probably also went through the same program
in the UK: cheap education to further the education of the populous at large. How many of these students will have to drop out of University now
because the UK government has "no more money?" How many of these students would have been the "movers and shakers" of the world? You see, this
is a lesson in fiscal responsibility. Just as in the US with all the money spent on unjust wars, the UK did the same. Of course, this is only part of
the problem. Both countries spent outside of their means, and that is just plain stupid. My question is why a group of people (the students) should
be punished for the fiscal irresponsibility of an out of control government?
Don't just hand them money, make them earn it. I praise my Father to this day for teaching me to work for what I get. He was very generous,
but I also had to help in the Orchards and Fields to get his generosity. I started my first business at age 9. I hauled vegetables, berries and fruit
around the neighborhood in an old Radio Flyer with wood sideboards. Later I sold to roadside stands. I made as much as some adults by the age of
Great. I'm glad to hear that you could do that. Nowadays a kid tries to open up a lemonade stand, and you have the IRS pigdogs showing up two hours
later, and then the FDA, and the Health Inspector's office showing up an hour after that.
I think you're judging these students without even knowing them. How do you know that they don't help with a family business, or try to make money
to pay for the amount of money that the UK government doesn't give them to go to school? You don't. You view them as spoiled, and just because you
had a different set of circumstances in your life, makes their plight no less important than yours when you were growing up.
It never occurred to me I could not go to a University because my Father died and we were very poor. I just went out, found a job and paid for
it myself. Then nobody expected the government to be their Mommies and Daddies.
Once again, that's how you grew up. It was a much different time in the world. These students have known nothing else, so therefore are justified
in being angry about the rug being pulled out from underneath their feet. This doesn't mean they aren't working any less hard, or feel like they
are entitled to something.
Look, I agree with less governmental controls in both the UK and the USA, but once you set a plan in place, and one as long standing as this one, it
needs to be phased out over several years. Not all at once.
Now if they were protesting for something real like a less intrusive government or lower taxes and more freedoms, that would a noble thing.
This rioting for welfare is not. Like I said, what part of there is no more money don't they or anyone else for that matter, understand.
"something real" as you so eloquently put it. Need I recite my case again? This isn't welfare in my opinion. This is a long
standing program that I'm pretty sure their parents put tax dollars into to support. If I'm wrong then, by all means, correct me.
How would you feel if when you reach retirement age the US government says: "Sorry, but we're out of money that you put into your Social Security
account over 40 years of work, so you won't be receiving social security benefits. Tough luck, but that's the breaks." This is basically what the
UK government is telling this large body of students based on tax dollars going into this program. As I said before, if I'm wrong on this angle,
then by all means, correct me.
Thank you for the lively debate, but I think we've gone off topic enough.
Peace be with you.