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No. The philosophies are pretty standard. Be good. Treat others well. Give to those who need it. Be trustworthy. Use your time wisely. That kind of stuff...
Originally posted by The GUT
reply to post by network dude
Thanks for your reply. Are the "thought provoking" philosophies considered secret too because I'm curious as to what some of them they might be?
Originally posted by network dude
Yes those and apparently if you are from the Jersey area, you are charged with gloating about having a kegerator in their lodge while the rest of the "civilized" world drinks sweet tea.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Do I detect bitterness?
Originally posted by The GUT
Any comment on what I read about the importance of the 'light-bearer' or the 'mystery school' aspects of Masonry? I think that's what freaks people out. Is it true?
Originally posted by network dude
Originally posted by The GUT
Any comment on what I read about the importance of the 'light-bearer' or the 'mystery school' aspects of Masonry? I think that's what freaks people out. Is it true?
If you read that part of Morals and Dogma, with the whole thing being read and understood, Pike was bringing to light the fact that the translators of the bible made a mistake. he never claimed that masons have a God or that we worship Lucifer. If you only quote half of that paragraph, it is possible to make it look like that. Gnostic teachings came form the mystery schools and I suppose every esoteric group has it's roots there. That isn't a bad thing, it's actually very spiritual. So in that respect, Lucifer is actually not the devil, he is a mistranslation that was made into a demon in Dante's Inferno. A book of fiction. But that doesn't change the fact that we don't worship anyone but our God of choice. Lucifer has never been mentioned in the three degrees of Blue lodge masonry or the 29 degrees of Scottish Rite masonry that I have been involved in. No mason I have ever asked had heard of that either. Most never read Morals and Dogma, or heard of anti-masonry.
Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by IndianBones
Lucifer = morning star. Jesus was called the Morning Star. The Bible also said to let the light of the morning star into your heart.
His name was Albert Pike. He was not a "Luciferian conspirator whose armies conquered Rome". He was a general in the Confederate Army during the Civil War. There's no evidence he ever left the North American continent in his lifetime. Nor was he "sovereign pontiff" of the Scottish Rite Southern Jurisdiction. His title was Sovereign Grand Commander, an elected position. The current person holding that title today is Ronald Seale.
Originally posted by TribeOfManyColours
My previous post, contains a youtube link. Who is the guy in the chair, with the number 33on his chest? 10sec in the video
Originally posted by JoshNorton
His name is Albert Pike. He was not a "Luciferian conspirator whose armies conquered Rome". He was a general in the Confederate Army during the Civil War. There's no evidence he ever left the North American continent in his lifetime. Nor was he "sovereign pontiff" of the Scottish Rite Southern Jurisdiction. His title was Sovereign Grand Commander, an elected position. The current person holding that title today is Ronald Seale.
Originally posted by TribeOfManyColours
My previous post, contains a youtube link. Who is the guy in the chair, with the number 33on his chest? 10sec in the video
edit on 2010.12.16 by JoshNorton because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by JoshNorton
reply to post by TribeOfManyColours
Sorry, the whole "Three World Wars" thing was a hoax and has been finally and thoroughly debunked here.
A bracelet that let him communicate directly with Lucifer? Really? Someone alive in 2010 actually believes that kind of superstitious BS?
And no, Albert Pike had nothing to do with the KKK.
I'm not even going to waste my time with the rest of the video, if they're building it on such a shaky foundation...
Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by TribeOfManyColours
at the top of this page is a button labeled "search", should you push it and enter in anything you would like to know about Albert Pike, you will find it. There will be multitudes of people slinging the exact same stories you are showing in this video, and a few people explaining with proof why that is a load of crap. Ultimately, you have the choice to believe that he summons Lucifer(a non entity according to history) and somehow controls all of masonry from the grave (which is in the house of temple in DC, he is behind a wall standing up). But that will not change the fact that we don't worship lucifer, satan, baal, Walt Disney, you, or bigfoot.
Originally posted by TribeOfManyColours
Well by means of symbolism you encounter the involvmend of the Masons-chuch-etc etc etc.
Originally posted by yeahright
Originally posted by TribeOfManyColours
Well by means of symbolism you encounter the involvmend of the Masons-chuch-etc etc etc.
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
And there's a key, right there. The thing about symbols is, they have to be interpreted. The meanings change based upon context, time, and who's doing the interpreting. What means one thing to one person in a particular era and context means something else entirely to someone else under different conditions.
Check into the way symbols like the cross, the pentagram, and the swastika have changed over time. You might be surprised.
Unless you are an expert in semiotics, with advanced degrees in the subject, the whole symbology thing can easily lead you down just about any path that an unwitting, or agenda-driven person wants to take you.
As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.