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Originally posted by rabbigoldstein
Yet what good did it do them? NOTHING!
Think of all the time somebody, a loved one, a friend, has been ill.. and you pray, even if your not religious, in your mind you cry out to a higher power to help the loved one!
Does it ever happen that miraculously the person gets better? rarely! absolutly rarely.. and by that i mean 1 in 10,000 times!
When a massive disaster like indonesia tsunami, haiti, chile etc all happened, when 911 happened, and people prayed.. what did the prayers do? NOTHING! NOTHING!
Did the prayers reverse the damage? did it correct peoples lives? no!
Yes i am well aware of the odd story here and there about somebody whos prayed and miraculously the person has gotten better... but the reason for the person getting better could be anything.
And if it is because of a higher power.. why do 99 per cent of the time we pray for people who are dying, do they not get better? What makes the 1 or 2 people who survive (which you claim God helped them), better than the 99 per cent who dont stand a chance!
Dont get me wrong, i dont believe in coincidences, i believe everything happens for a reason, and yes i believe in a God, a creator of all (even though im one of the MANY who believes that these ancient `gods` from most religions nowadays were nothing more than advanced beings/ets). But this is ridiculous! To say that god needs your prayer like he doesnt have anything better to do when hes running a universe, which is more than likely one of many universes, is ridiculous!
And why would we need to pray to him? is that like sending out an s.o.s? if he was almighty he`d know somebody was in trouble! Oh whats that? he wants us to pray first? oh so if we dont pray he`ll sulk in the corner like a big baby and go `hmmph im not saving them because they didnt pray`?
Come on! its ridiculous! And no, im not an atheist! Please understand that!
But ive lost a gran in the last year who i deeply loved, she was always there for me when i was younger, and even though i prayed many many nights, and so did the family.. nothing happened!
And im sure millions of other people go through the same... pray and pray but nothing happened!
Originally posted by Somehumanbeing
reply to post by dementedtheclown
Well to begin with, I believe that if you are going to believe in a religion, you should take all the literary "canon" works of that religion literally. Do not nit-pick bits and pieces you believe are plausible and leave the rest out.
If the bible sais unicorns exists, then you must believe unicorns exist.
If the bible sais god is omnisentient, omnipresent, and omnipotent, then he is.
If the bible sais the world is 4000 years old, then you must believe it is.
So if the bible contains a verse "Ask and ye shall receive" then it must be proven. If it is proven wrong, then damn, he doesn't exist now does he? I prayed to God, in desperation and utmost belief in him when I was younger. Nothing happened. He doesn't exist.
All these denominations of christianity and different interpretations crap are desperate attempts to cling to a belief that is progressively being countered by science. Every passing year there is a different interpretation to make-up for something that science sais other-wise to.edit on 7-12-2010 by Somehumanbeing because: (no reason given)edit on 7-12-2010 by Somehumanbeing because: (no reason given)edit on 7-12-2010 by Somehumanbeing because: (no reason given)
Ps, and please dont play the `we dont ask questions of God` card with me.. thats what made me turn my back on most main stream religions!
Originally posted by Somehumanbeing
reply to post by Wang Tang
That just goes to show it is a psychological thing. Praying for spiritual growth is the same as some guy meditating for the same purpose.