Canada's handling of Afghan child detainees queried

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by oozyism

 

Instead of directing your anger at Canada and 'The Allies' direct it at those that are actually committing those horrendous crimes.

Why not direct anger at those who commit the crimes and those who make the crime possible? Seems to me that you are just as much a hypocrite as you make Ooz out to be. Besides that, the more knowledgable and capable party should do to their job properly. If you KNOW you have a choice what is stopping you from making the right one eg. not handing over children to KNOWN child abusers.

And if you are so concerned about the future of Afghanstan why not do something real and pertinent and return there and be an agent for change instead of your imaginary role as ATS's very own Islamic Defender Of The Faith which is quite frankly becoming boring and predictable.

This of course, is a glaring insult. I take it you don't know the poster in real life? Besides that, what's with the name calling?

Whatever potency, validity or justification you have or may have has been lost in your bigotry, hypocrisy and ignorance.

A shame, I genuinely had faith in you.
It appears it was misplaced.

It is of little surprise you would end your post in a manner suiting megalomaniacs. What a pity, and I had so much faith in you...

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by oozyism

 

Instead of directing your anger at Canada and 'The Allies' direct it at those that are actually committing those horrendous crimes.

And if you are so concerned about the future of Afghanstan why not do something real and pertinent and return there and be an agent for change instead of your imaginary role as ATS's very own Islamic Defender Of The Faith which is quite frankly becoming boring and predictable.
Whatever potency, validity or justification you have or may have has been lost in your bigotry, hypocrisy and ignorance.

A shame, I genuinely had faith in you.
It appears it was misplaced.

Once again, when no valid argument is left, attack the individual who is making the argument, very nice Freeborn.

Getting quiet old.

Once again, who brought the perpetrators to power? That is like saying the puppet master is not as responsible for the actions of the puppet.

Potential comes with perfection, without perfection there is no purpose for me to visit Afghanistan.

Originally posted by Zamini
reply to post by Kailassa

 

Is raping boys something you think Afghani muslims do?
Are you racist or something?

What are you even doing in this thread?

I'll make it as simple as possible:

1- You do NOT troll.

2- Read about Afghanistan, it's culture and a thing called bache bazi before you spout absolute bullcrap again or decide to participate in a discussion on Afghanistan. You're free to stay ignorant though.

3- Lets see here. Why are the occupying forces in Afghanistan? According to us conspiracy nuts

it's to do with resources and geopolitical thingies m'kay. According to the official story it is to spread freedom and democracy. Which one do you believe?

4- The Canadian(irrelevant as ANY forces there should have done the proper research) military should NOT hand over children to well KNOWN child abusers and human rights abusers. If the Canadian military is there to keep the pedophile squad happy like the US military is keeping poppy farmers happy...well, you do the math. What do you THINK will happen to the generation growing up in that hellhole?

THINK.

As you are not aware of my previous exchanges with Oozy, you don't know where I'm coming from.

On the one hand, I've gone to demonstrations protesting my country's involvement in this invasion, and am still pressuring politicians about it. I believe "the Bush doctrine" of pre-emptive invasion to be utterly evil, and I've supported Oozy in his threads protesting this invasion.

On the other hand, Oozy has consistantly attacked non-muslim lifestyles, and defended Muslim lifestyles, including the right of Muslims to beat their wives, and the death sentences passed on gays in Iran on the grounds that, as it's legal by the laws of that country to hang gays, we have no right to comment on it. Not only that, but he has repeatedly lied about Muslim law in regard to women.

Thus, I see a need to point out to Oozy his hypocrisy here, and will no longer support him in threads against the invasions unless he rethinks his stance on a few things.

reply to post by Kailassa

including the right of Muslims to beat their wives, and the death sentences passed on gays in Iran on the grounds that, as it's legal by the laws of that country to hang gays, we have no right to comment on it. Not only that, but he has repeatedly lied about Muslim law in regard to women.

Your own interpretation of my belief is not gonna help you win the debate.

I'm against wife beating + against gay hanging.

and

This is not a thread to discuss them.

Why don't you create a thread regarding gay's being executed in Iran, that is where I will come and debate you the issue, the issue of Iran executing gays. Whether true or not, can also be discussed.

Please don't interpret my belief, if you think I said something, quote it.

reply to post by Zamini


The crime of defending oozy and the Afghan people from the represiveness of The Taliban whom oozy ran away from in fear yet now defends from the safety of New Zealand?

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by Zamini

 

The crime of defending oozy and the Afghan people from the represiveness of The Taliban whom oozy ran away from in fear yet now defends from the safety of New Zealand?

Yup

Talk about oozy when all the arguments have worn down


TaTa Freeborn

reply to post by Kailassa

On the other hand, Oozy has consistantly attacked non-muslim lifestyles,

How do you know what a Muslim lifestyle is? How does Oozy know what a Muslim lifestyle is? How can anyone say that something is not a Muslim lifestyle then? Quite the arrogance.

and defended Muslim lifestyles

What's a Muslim lifestyle?

including the right of Muslims to beat their wives

There is no excuse for this.

Though, as a reminder, there are plenty non-Muslim wifebeaters around too that enjoy protection because of their social status. To me it seems that people that can't behave themselves are always part of some group or claim they are anyways, that does the thinking for them. This means the lifestyle of said wifebeaters(look at how easy it was to leave the word Muslim out) is incorrect and most likely based on pre-conditioned falsehoods.

and the death sentences passed on gays in Iran on the grounds that, as it's legal by the laws of that country to hang gays, we have no right to comment on it.

You have every right to comment on it. However you must relativate. (that doesn't mean you must agree with said laws - unless you are in the nation - according to law. Maybe you will see that laws aren't a smart idea per sé, as the people making them up could be nuts)

Not only that, but he has repeatedly lied about Muslim law in regard to women.

And you are talking about which 'Muslim' law? Or are you talking about the many hypocritical, ill-interpreted, ignorant-ridden laws made up by people that are part of organized religion? Hijjab is not mandatory according to the Koran while a woman is subservient to men in the Christian religion as well (there's a reformist party in the Netherlands, who as a rule has no women allowed, in fact, the reformist women give their voting tickets to their husband - as the bible says: The man is the head, the woman is the body.)

reply to post by oozyism


As usual you miss the point entirely.

You want Afghanistan to look after itself yet blame others for the actions of the Afghanistan Security.
They are the one's responsible for the crimes and they are the one's who should be held accountable.
Pretty simple really.

Anything else is simply smoke in mirrors and an attempt at absolving Afghan's of any responsibility and apportioning blame on your usual convenient scapegoat.

Originally posted by Freeborn

You want Afghanistan to look after itself yet blame others for the actions of the Afghanistan Security.
They are the one's responsible for the crimes and they are the one's who should be held accountable.
Pretty simple really.

That would be correct if Afghanistan hadn't been invaded, occupied and had a puppet govt installed, in these real circumstances the ones doing the installing and training have to carry the responsibility.

Incidentally where did NATO/ISAF get the idea of raping and torturing from they aren't carried out at home, could it be international contractors hired by the govts in question in their quest for a free market world.

reply to post by Freeborn

The crime of defending oozy and the Afghan people from the represiveness of The Taliban

The very people defending others from the repressiveness are handing them back over to repressive folk, child abusers, torturers. That's what this thread is about, or did you not bother to read?

whom oozy ran away from

I find it hard to believe you know the ins and outs of someones life like that.

in fear

Sigh. Are you trying to rile up some Fox viewers?

yet now defends from the safety of New Zealand?

What an ignorant statement. You want one man to run to Afghanistan and fight a war on a side that is inevitably corrupt? Irrelevant personal attacks will get you nowhere and once again you showboat your ignorant stance.

reply to post by Zamini


oozy has often published details of his life here on ATS and I am far from unique in being aware of aspects of his life and I have often discussed and debated subjects with him.

Whilst I disagree with him on almost everything I do have a grudging respect for him.
I think we are both comfortable with our 'relationship' with each other which has never required even the hint of moderation even during some very heated debates.

Why I am even attempting to justify myself to you is quite beyond me!