Originally posted by Control
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Control
? What the heck Bible are you reading, because I don't remember that being even apocryphal in the church I grew up in?
He's talking about JUDE, a shortened form of Judas. Jude is the blood brother of James. Jude and James are Jesus's half-brothers.
The Jude/Judas he is speaking about is the same Jude that has a book of the NT named after him, the book preceding Revelation.
Hey guy, again, I don't lknow what Bible you're reading again, but I've come across even more Christians and non-Christians alike who would balk at that declaration as readily as I am.
And on the so-called Gnostic Gospels, I got kinda hooked into that too about 7 years ago and satisfied my own burden of proof that they are spurious in nature and were released into mainstream publishing primarily to make Dan Brown and Elaine Pagels money. Kinda like the whole "channeled seer" books like "Bringers of the Dawn."
It's people making stuff up so that gullible folks like you will buy into it. This is what makes this aq dangersous mindset in critical decision making environments....evangelicals and neo-fundamnetalists have already and are proving on a daily basis that can be swayed by any idea that sounds good enough to them, and they will defend that dodgy idea as though it were proven fact. This is not something we can afford when we are trying to make decisions on another nations nuclear program, or debating the merits of a new law.
In those circumstances, facts are what need to be dealt with, and that is something that you and everyone else like you have proven time again that you are unwilling to work with. This is why there MUST be a separation of Church and State. It must be a wide chasm between the two vestiges, never the two allowed to intersect.
Fascist idiocy of an unparalleled scale. Back in your box!
Here are the authors by Testament: OLD: - Moses, Joshua, Samuel, Jeremiah, Ezra, Nehemiah, Mordecai, Hezekiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel NEW: - Mathew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, James brother of Jesus, Peter, Judas the brother of Jesus
The four Gospels that eventually made it into the New Testament, for example, are all anonymous, written in the third person about Jesus and his companions. None of them contains a first-person narrative ("One day, when Jesus and I went into Capernaum..."), or claims to be written by an eyewitness or companion of an eyewitness. Why then do we call them Matthew, Mark, Luke and John?
Because sometime in the second century, when proto-orthodox Christians recognized the need for apostolic authorities, they attributed these books to apostles (Matthew and John) and close companions of apostles (Mark, the secretary of Peter; and Luke, the travelling companion of Paul).
Most scholars today have abandoned these identifications, and recognize that the books were written by otherwise unknown but relatively well-educated Greek-speaking (and writing) Christians during the second half of the first century.” "Lost Christianities" by Bart Ehrman (2003)1
"...the vast majority of scholars since the early 1800s have said that this quotation is not by Josephus, but rather is a later Christian insertion in his works. In other words, it is a forgery, rejected by scholars."
Dr Gordon Stein
Whole libraries of antiquity were torched by the Christians. Yet unlike the works of his Jewish contemporaries, the histories of Josephus survived. They survived because the Christian censors had a use for them. They planted evidence on Josephus, turning the leading Jewish historian of his day into a witness for Jesus Christ ! Finding no references to Jesus anywhere in Josephus's genuine work, they interpolated a brief but all-embracing reference based purely on Christian belief. Do we need to look any further to identify Eusebius himself as the forger?
And even in the twenty first century scholars who should know better trot out a truncated version of the 'golden paragraph' in a scurrilous attempt to keep Josephus 'on message.'
But belief in a celestial Christ does not equate to belief in a flesh-and-blood 'Jesus of Nazareth' – and when the 'heretical' and 'gnostic' views of early Christians are examined 'Jesus of Nazareth' is noticeably absent. And to press the point, even a belief in a 'Jesus of Nazareth' does not make him a reality – it is only the belief that is a reality.
It is rather as if a child who believed in the Tooth Fairy was to be presented as evidence that the Tooth Fairy really existed.
K Humphreys Jesus Never Existed
Many of the world's crucified godmen have their traditional birthday on December 25th. This is because the ancients recognized that (from an earthcentric perspective) the sun makes an annual descent southward until December 21st or 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops moving southerly for three days and then starts to move northward again.
During this time, the ancients declared that "God's sun" had "died" for three days and was "born again" on December 25th. The ancients realized quite abundantly that they needed the sun to return every day and that they would be in big trouble if the sun continued to move southward and did not stop and reverse its direction.
Thus, these many different cultures celebrated the "sun of God's" birthday on December 25th. The following are the characteristics of the "sun of God":
* The sun "dies" for three days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops in its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
* In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin."
* The sun is the "Light of the World."
* The sun "cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him."
* The sun rising in the morning is the "Savior of mankind."
* The sun wears a corona, "crown of thorns" or halo.
* The sun "walks on water."
* The sun's "followers," "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
* The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High"; thus, "he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
* The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30°; hence, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
* The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified," which represents its passing through the equinoxes, the vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. ” "Origins of Christianity" by Acharya S
A majority of modern US scholars fix the dates of the four Gospels as follows: Matthew, c. 85-90; Mark, c. 65; Luke, c. 80-85; John, c. 90-100.4
lol, no. "P64" is a papyrus fragment dated before 66 AD (contains Matthew 26:23, 31)
We agree with Thiede when he wrote ‘Caution is always the best approach in the dating of manuscripts’. In this article an attempt has been made both to hear and to critically investigate his claims regarding the date of P. Magd. Gr. 17 = P64. Although we recognise the service that he has performed in facilitating a reexamination of methodological presuppositions, our verdict on his claims is a negative one. The very early manuscripts to which Thiede appealed for close parallels to P64 turned out to be not as close as the somewhat later ones which he had overlooked. Although there is no absolutely definite evidence by which P. Magd. Gr. 17 = P 64 can be dated with certainty, the available evidence points to a date around AD 200. To be on the safe side I would suggest plus or minus fifty years as the possible range.
Peter M. Head
Published in Tyndale Bulletin 46(1995)251-285
Originally posted by tiger5
Well this is not a theological issue nor one of comparative religion. The real problem is that the Lords is composed of people who hold us ( often called the electorate) in contempt. I do not belong to a proselytising religion and have no time for those that do. I view these evangelists as a serious threat as faith has no place in UK politics
Christian zealots launch campaign based on lies, distortions and paranoia
“There is mounting pressure to exclude Jesus Christ from the public domain, consigning Him instead to the realm of the ‘private and personal’. Increasingly, Christians are encountering attempts to restrict their freedom to speak and live in accordance with biblical teaching in the workplace and in public life.”
“When far too many people fear ridicule for admitting that they are Christians or are uncertain whether they can bring their faith to the workplace, we should all stand together to honour the One who has so significantly and valuably shaped our country. After all, there are more Christians in our land than those who seek to undermine the Christian Faith. And if you are not yet a Christian, a follower of Jesus Christ, may I encourage you, this Christmas, to listen again to the Christmas story and to ask God to forgive you for the past, to be with you in the present, and to strengthen you to stand up as one of his followers, in the year ahead and for the rest of your life? I am not ashamed of Jesus Christ. Are you?”