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There is No Eternal Hell Fire

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posted on Dec, 4 2010 @ 05:26 PM
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reply to post by NOTurTypical
 
NOTurTypical,

Those you speak of sound a lot like most of the mega church preachers as that is the kind of works going on today. They also claim to heal in His name etc. They are in it for the money and not for Jesus Christ. They have millions deceived. They will pay for their false gospel and the sad part many are led to destruction by them.

Truthiron.




posted on Dec, 6 2010 @ 06:14 AM
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We all complain while we reply. I hope you all find some comfort in the Bible, the letters of Paul are very interesting and can bring light to those who seem to have no hope or whom lack in love.

I'd advise to pray, love must be part of your life.

Heart to heart conversations are so relieving. I pray for you guys!



posted on Dec, 6 2010 @ 06:17 AM
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Those who felt in hands of the enemy, keep on pushing them in order to get back what is yours. They will fall. I use my prayers for help. Be angry, get your return!



posted on Dec, 6 2010 @ 08:43 AM
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eterical_waterwave,

For sure salvation can be had for every last one on this earth. That Word gives the remedy and the Way. He hears the prayers of all who will come unto Him and none need to be cast into that last end fire. I thank you for your prayer and mine are also for you and all that they also would come to Him.

Truthiron.



posted on Dec, 6 2010 @ 09:03 AM
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The effects of the fire are eternal
Also included in the affect is the knowledge that it was done righteously because there was an evil like a cancer that had to be excised.
The imagery in Revelation is a proofing fire for the purpose of refining. The smoke coming off the fire indicates that there were impurities and they were burn off. The end of the scene has the statement that the smoke was there, or visible, forever. I think that could mean that this event of destruction and its purpose and results and the justification for it will be everlasting in the minds of those who were not subjected to the fire of the lake of fire.
We should take the opportunity we have now to refine ourselves so we do not need to be tested in the judgment.



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 02:32 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Interesting, I wasn't aware Jesus was lying. He taught more about a literal, eternal, painful damnation in literal flames more than any person in scripture.

Er, that's not actually true...
Vicky



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 07:44 AM
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Originally posted by Vicky32

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Interesting, I wasn't aware Jesus was lying. He taught more about a literal, eternal, painful damnation in literal flames more than any person in scripture.

Er, that's not actually true...
Vicky


Er, sorry.

Yes it is.


However, Jesus Christ Himself believed in Hell--He taught on it more often and more extensively than any other person in the Bible--so the follower of Christ has a tough decision to make: (a) either Jesus was deluded and subject to all the misguided popular opinions of His day (in which case, why be a Christian at all?), or (b) there is in fact such a place as hell, and Jesus, being the Son of God, knew all about it.


Hell
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posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 08:49 AM
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Sorry, but any being that would be so unforgiving as to toss you into hell for eternity based on a few short years on earth is itself, evil. The whole idea to me is laughable and medieval.

I reckon if God existed he would be far more sophisticated than that.



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 09:19 AM
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NOTurTypical,

The fire of eternal destruction is not yet, it will come after the second resurrection and it consumes even Satan.

Until then hell is the grave. Yes we know of the story of Lazarus and that was a delusion of the times, there has always been false understandings, that's why the Jews, some of them wouldn't accept Christ as the Messiah. Jesus just didn't see fit at the time to correct them. Eternal hell fire is fear teaching and we don't need that. That would make God unrighteous in everones eyes. He doesn't want to bring you in for fear, he wants you voluntarily. All can hold that teaching that want to but it is far more detrimental than good. Hell has about the same meaning in the old as it does in the new testament and it is.

or shol [sheh-ole']; from 7592; Hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranean retreat), including its accessories and inmates:--grave, hell, pit.

Ec 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

Yahweh takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked. To burn one eternally would prove He does.

Eze 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

This next verse is a description of how it will be as this story is of those of the second resurrection coming up on the Holy city.

Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Each may come to their own conclusion, I coerce no one.

Truthiron..



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 09:42 AM
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Originally posted by Internet Explorer
Sorry, but any being that would be so unforgiving as to toss you into hell for eternity based on a few short years on earth is itself, evil. The whole idea to me is laughable and medieval.

I reckon if God existed he would be far more sophisticated than that.


Moot point.

Do sentences here on Earth match the time it took to commit the crime?



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 09:43 AM
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Sorry Truth, but if you've taken any study of the Greek the case is closed. The English is terribly weak, the Greek precise to an absurd level.



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Sorry Truth, but if you've taken any study of the Greek the case is closed. The English is terribly weak, the Greek precise to an absurd level.
Maybe if you want to be so literal, then why not a way to get out of Hell?
Jesus said something about going into the lock-up until every penny has been paid.
So, if we were in the flames long enough to suffer an equal amount of suffering as we caused others, then we get out?



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 05:56 PM
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So, if we were in the flames long enough to suffer an equal amount of suffering as we caused others, then we get out?

As an Orthodox Christian I believe that when a person dies the soul is temporarily separated from the body. Though it may linger for a short period on Earth, it is ultimately escorted either to paradise (Abraham's bosom) or the darkness of Hades, following the Temporary Judgment. The soul’s experience of either of these states is only a “foretaste”—being experienced only by the soul—until the Final Judgment, when the soul and body will be reunited.

On the Final Judgment,

1.All souls will be reunited with their resurrected bodies.

2.All souls will fully experience their spiritual state.

3. Having been perfected, the human race will forever progress towards a deeper and fuller love of God, which equates with eternal happiness.

4. Hell, though often described in metaphor as punishment inflicted by God, is in reality the soul's rejection of God's infinite love which is offered freely and abundantly to everyone.

The eternal hell fire is reserved for the Satan and his followers.

Peace


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posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 06:06 PM
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The eternal hell fire is reserved for the Satan and his followers.
But wouldn't that include just about most people?



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 06:46 PM
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I hope not.
Because we believe that the state of the soul in Hades can be affected by the love and prayers of the righteous up until the Last Judgment.

Simply said the eternal hell fire is just utterly destruction.It´s not a torment.

Peace
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posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 07:55 PM
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Research the word for Hell in both Hebrew and Greek, and you will understand why Christendoms definition of it is wrong. We do well to remember God's punishment edict to Adam was, sin and you die and go back to the dust, not sin and you burn. Hellfire dogma is a scare tactic of the church to control the masses. It has failed in the last 100 years. God views us as his children and our father, what father would burn his child forever, like sticking him in a hot oven but somehow he can continue to live miraculously, in ultimate pain.

People who believe in hellfire do not understand God or the bible and it's message, death and perpetual nonexistence is the ultimate punishment that God gives out for sin, nothing more.

1 John 4:8b

God is love



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 11:18 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Sorry Truth, but if you've taken any study of the Greek the case is closed. The English is terribly weak, the Greek precise to an absurd level.
Maybe if you want to be so literal, then why not a way to get out of Hell?
Jesus said something about going into the lock-up until every penny has been paid.
So, if we were in the flames long enough to suffer an equal amount of suffering as we caused others, then we get out?


No, being condemned and cast into the lake of fire is called the "second death". And the duration is stated to be "everlasting".



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 11:19 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
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The eternal hell fire is reserved for the Satan and his followers.
But wouldn't that include just about most people?



Yes, isn't that what Jesus stated would happen with the "broad way"?



posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 05:28 AM
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Understanding that, then the earlier statement is of little comfort.



posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 11:58 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
lastly, watch a few NDE videos from people who were not saved at the time they had their NDEs, they will all tell you about the intense heat and flames they saw/experienced in Hell before they were revived back to life.


I have seen videos of NDE from people who weren’t even Christians and they found themselves seeing a light and then entering the light and being in the presence of God or in some cases being with their loved ones. There are some cases where Christians enter heaven also and on the flip side of that, there are the even more bizarre cases of actual Christians, describing Hell and flames etc as in what you have described above.

It’s hard to know what to make of all these different types of cases, so I won’t make any quick assessments of the overall individual cases that are out there, but one thing that seems clear to me, is that something strangely inconsistent seems to be happening.

One thing I do know, is that no one has yet been resurrected and thrown into “The Lake of Fire”, because according to the Revelation scriptures, these things haven’t happened yet and they only do so, on the final “Day of Judgment.”

I personally believe, for reasons fairly similar to the OP, that Hell is a place of destruction.



Matthew 10:28
Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.


- JC



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