Originally posted by ignorant_ape
reply to post by GlennCanady
one question - who owns US airports ?
airlines are private corporations - so despite any silly claims - you [ US citizens ] do NOT have any right of " free travel " via private
so - are airports private property - if so - you dont have any rights to freedom on private property
TSA is a government agency. Airports are public facilities. Airlines do not search or screen anyone, the TSA does. Airlines take your money in advance
and then it's up to TSA to decide who can or can not fly, not the Airline who has already sold you a service you paid for in advance. If an Airline
Employee were to touch you, they would be arrested immediately, only a TSA Officer can touch you or screen you and they are paid with taxpayer money,
making them subject to all US Laws.
Your argument is faulty on it's face and has no merit. Were this a debate you would receive a failing grade I'm afraid.
The former head of TSA admitted on camera last week that this procedure is illegal but "necessary". That means to me that this will continue until
the first court case hits and then a Judge will stop it because they have to show cause before they can detain or search you and they won't be able
to show cause in nearly all cases. Traveling is not cause. It is not illegal. It is not a threat to anyone else.
If Police were to suddenly start randomly patting down people walking down the street for walking down the street, it would technically be the same
thing, except the Officer would loose their badge and be prosecuted.
It's nobodies business why a person does not want to be viewed nude by a stranger or not have their genitals touched by a stranger. It only matters
that they have the legal right to refuse without being detained. This is a test to see how far they go before people say no, no more!
I'm baffled why so many are so afraid to fly? It's illogical. We know that only about 4,000 Americans have been killed by Terrorist in the last
hundred years. We also know that driving to work is hundreds if not thousands of times more dangerous. So we give up our right and our dignity because
a some people are afraid of their own shadows and have irrational fears?
Forced nudity is a form of Torture. When it was done to Terrorists captured on the Battlefield it was called Torture by the world and people demanded
they stop. They use it because it conditions the victim and strips them of their dignity and makes them easier to control. So why is it not torture
now and it is if its done to a known Terrorist? Any thoughts on that at all.
For many people this will be a form of psycological torture and many will never fly again. That means they are being punished without any cause
whatsoever. What crime did the Bladder Cancer survivor commit that he deserved to have his urine bag tore open and be forced to board an airplane
soaked in Urine. Please name the crime he commited? What crime did the older lady with the knee implants commit that justified a TSO to stick her
hands down the inside of her underwear and feel between the folds of her genitals with gloves that likely just touched somebody elses genitals?
Neither of those cases are being denied by TSA. They are true, this is happening.
Recently TSA let it slip out on their Blog that they have hired 110,000 people in six years. Prior to that they even refused to answer to Congress
about how many they hired. Told Congress "no" in fact. Did you know that Congress has no control over them? Anyway that answered the question. We
know that they have funding for 43,000 people only. Therefore almost 65% of TSA employees quit. Those who quit are not allowed to tell anyone why they
quit and they sign a document to that effect. Why? Why is employee numbers forbidden for Congress to know? How does that protect us?
Why is the former head of HLS now the CEO of the company that is getting fabulously wealthy selling the machines to TSA he ordered before he left?
Please explain as that is also not in dispute.
Why is it the best airport security on Earth does not use nor want to use these scanners or touch peoples genitals? Israel's people have a Degree
that takes 18 months to earn and they are versed in how to spot Terrorists before they get anywhere near a plane. None of the Terrorists in the news
lately would have made it past their security.
What do we have? We have low paid people who get two weeks training before they start deciding who travels and who does not. The job is so bad that
65% of them have quit even though it is hard times. That is what our glorious leaders have cooked up for us. An Agency exempt from Congressional
control, manned by uneducated, low income workers who have never stopped a Terrorist even once. Just the training has cost over one billion dollars
and to date all they have gotten for it is 120 various instruments and some packages of marijuana and one fit filled with heroin. The former TSA
Director who gave the 120 number and examples on the air then refused to reveal a list because that to is secret. That means nobody, not even Congress
would know if this is working or not.
As it is, anyone who wishes can simply place an object up their rectum and nothing they are doing would find it. The former head of Israels Security
said in interview just last week, he could easily carry enough explosives through a scanner to take down an airplane, but Israel's security would
catch it. They don't look at people naked. They don't fondle childrens genitals. They don't torture old people with implants. ...and yet, their
airports are safer than ours. TSA's response was we have more airports. We also have more people. For one billion dollars, surely they could have
trained properly 43,000 people by now. I would be safer. You would be safer.
Fear is a powerful weapon and it saddens me how scared some are and how easily they give up their freedom. No Terrorist will ever be caught by a TSO
screening a US citizen traveling from inside the US to inside the US. That means the money is wasted and the only thing it does is strip us of our
freedom and dignity.
Next time you get in your car and drive, remember you are taking a risk hundreds if not thousands of times more dangerous and ask yourself, would it
be OK if an Officer were required to search and test you before you can go the convenience store to get a Pepsi? It's way more dangerous and you are
taking way more risk.
I'm traveling for Christmas and I'll walk through the scanner and not do anything untoward, but while doing it I'll know that the Free Country I
was born in is no more. It is gone forever because cowards have surrendered to a the Terrorists and our Leaders are using it to rape us of our rights.