Originally posted by Havick007
In regard to the wooden beams, obviously wood would have been used in construction but i have also not heard about any 'wooden beams' being dated
there has been wood dated. If you want an exact date then the 'old wood' would cause problems but in terms of rough dating it is ok - there maybe a
century more or less of difference but trees don't last that long unless treated and retained.
Mapmistress; this link has some good summaries about dating attempts over the past 100 years or so if you want to have read
Dating the Pyramids - (Archaeology.org)
In saying that, i don't totally disagree your comments about the age of the Pyramid but i havent really done enough research or reading to coment
The article that I'm talking about was --THE--- controversial article on "dating the pyramids."
It was the first 10 listings in every search
engine back in 2004...the article where the Edgar Cayce Foundation had a huge funding project to re-date the pyramids. And they hired Southern
Methodist University to do their carbon dating.
When the results came back, they had tried to carbon date the mudbricks and in result they had claimed that the "pyramids were built from the top
down" and that the bricks at the top of the pyramid were "10,000 years old" while the bricks at the bottom of the pyramid were far younger.
And that's because you can't carbon date mud bricks. If you try, then you are only telling the age of the field and how deep the mudbrick field was
dug. The article became an embarassment, in fact the Edgar Cayce Foundation no longer has the article up on the internet anymore on their own website
(or at least they didn't the last several times I looked). And the original article isn't really found anymore on the internet, but you will find all
sorts of websites referring to the data. So when you see a website claiming "Pyramids are 10,000 years old" or a website claiming that the "pyramids
were built from the top down". That's what they are referring to... the carbon dating project funded by the Edgar Cayce Foundation where the samples
were sent to Southern Methodist University.
HOWEVER... back when the article used to be up on the internet in 2004, the website I looked at had a JPG up, and within the jpg for each pyramid they
ALSO carbon dated wood from each pyramid. And although the carbon dating of mudbrick is a pretty embarassing mistake... the carbon dates of wood
samples from each pyramid are adequate. I still have a copy of that JPG with wood dates for each pyramid site on disk (just not the original article)
and I kept a paper copy for each pyramid in a folder of carbon dates. Mind you...this was 2004-2005 research.
When it comes to websites with information on Egypt... so many of them disappear within even just a couple of years. Very few sites stay up on the net
for any length of time. I'm just letting you know this because if you collect information on the internet about Egypt---SAVE A COPY
webpages and burn them on disk...because 2 years from now, those websites might not be there anymore to cite. And back then, people used to post all
kinds of photos of the insides of pyramids up on the net, which apparently can't always be done anymore with all the special permits that people have
to obtain just to take photos in Egypt. So if you see a website with photos of the inside of pyramids, or walls, or stela--- SAVE A COPY and burn
them on disk
...because 2 years from now, those photos may not be on the net anymore. Trust me on this one. You won't regret it.
Anyhow, it was the Edgar Cayce funded expedition with Southern Methodist University doing the carbon dating that placed the WOOD in Egypt at the
following (these are the 2004 notes, and the original article is no longer on the net as it was an embarassment since they tried to carbon date
Giza 1 wood: 2853 B.C.E.
Giza 2 wood: 2550 B.C.E.
Giza 3 wood: 2505 B.C.E.
Red Pyramid wood: 2850 B.C.E.
Meidum pyramid wood (cedar): 2669 B.C.E.
Step Pyramid of Saqqara wood: 2648 B.C.E.
Other than that...there were a couple of people posting in here that didn't believe that there was any wood, nor mudbricks in the pyramids...odd.
Here's a couple of sites talking about wood in each pyramid and all the other materials inside the pyramids too.
The cores of earlier pyramids appear to have been built with less prepared gypsum and more tafla mortar--calcareous desert clay. Nonetheless, bits
of wood and reed can be found embedded in the corework.
from the Giza Plateau Mapping project
Pyramids Radiocarbon Dating Project section
Now this guy is quoting from the original Edgar Cayce Foundation/Southern Methodist University article...but he has slightly different ages then I
have down in my notes, so I'm wondering if he used an additional site/study for information. Anyhow...he starts off with the whole speeel... of the
"10,000 years old" which was the carbon date that came from the attempt to date the mudbricks. Which I explained before...you can't do. It's going to
give you inadequate dates. But later in his webpage, he starts also quoting some research with wood carbon dates in it too.
First: The history of building the pyramids by using radiant carbon (C14).
The radiant carbon laboratory in the Southern Methodist University financed by (U.S National Science Foundation), and (Eidgenossiche Technische
Hochschule) laboratory financed by (Swiss Institute for Nuclear Research and Swiss National Science Foundation) to study the history of Giza region
where (the Pyramids and the Sphinx ) are in the eighties of 20th century by using the radiant carbon.
They have extracted the following results as they were mentioned in original report which was issued by the American Research Center in Egypt and
published in a conference held in the Capital of France "Paris" specially for this (purpose).
Only wood and carbonized sample belongs to the great Pyramid of Cheops and returns to 3809 B.C. It was discovered at the South West corner, the round
198 in the Pyramid.
Another thirteen samples belongs to nearer rounds (3090-2853) B.C.
Wood and carbonized samples from Chephren Pyramid belongs to the period 3196 to 2733 B.C.
Wood and carbonized sample from Mykrinos pyramid belongs to the period 3076-2067 B.C.
Two wood and carbonized samples for the sphinx taken from the same site belongs to the period (2746-2985 B.C).
from Dr. Mosalam Shaltout's website
section on radiant carbon dating C14
His carbon dates on Giza 2 & Giza 3 might be different because he might have been adding in other samples to average the dates where I took ONLY the
wood from the Edgar Cayce Foundation article/Southern Methodist University carbon dating. I won't take anything BUT wood and bone carbon dates.
Anything else--- I ignore.
Thanks for the other link on Dating the Pyramids. I was going to link to it too. =)
edit on 8-7-2011 by MapMistress because: typo, punctuation