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Topic started on 7-10-2010 @ 05:45 PM by TrueAmerican

Hmm, not sure what to make of this. Family gets their newborn seized, apparently because he is involved with oathkeepers.

YouTube Link

oathkeepers.org...

So oathkeepers is now a militia? Just like 9/11 truthers are terrorists? Just like Obama is a Christian and natural born citizen?

Right.

www.myfoxboston.com...

Mod Edit: Updated thread at OP's request with new link.

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reply posted on 7-10-2010 @ 05:47 PM by getreadyalready

reply to post by TrueAmerican

I can't watch the video, and I didn't see the story on the link to their website.

I know plenty of Oathkeepers that are active military and law enforcement. There is no way they let this happen for that reason alone. There has to be more to the story.

reply posted on 7-10-2010 @ 05:56 PM by iamsupermanv2

Where's the hard proof that this happened...

Also, do we know that this guy or his fiance don't have other reason to have their baby taken away?

Also, he states a militia is formed in order to allow for an armed uprising...it isn't. A true militia is formed to help defend the country from outside invasion when the military is not able to.

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reply posted on 7-10-2010 @ 05:59 PM by TrueAmerican

reply to post by getreadyalready

You definitely need to see the video- for the audio really, not the video. It is a telephone call with the guy. I provided the link to oathkeepers just so people would know what it is. The story is not at link.

reply posted on 7-10-2010 @ 06:04 PM by iamsupermanv2

reply to post by getreadyalready

Here's pretty much the story:

He claims after his kid was born, Child Protection Service (not the organization he names, but the same idea) came and took her away. Claims the nurses took the kid under false pretenses to give to these agents.

Says they put a security guard outside their room to "follow his every move"

He claims the affidavit they gave him stated it was because he is with a "militia" group the oath keepers.

To me, it doesn't sound like the whole story.

reply posted on 7-10-2010 @ 06:20 PM by Solasis

reply to post by TrueAmerican

Oh, oops, I was about to reply to this post thinking that these were the promise Keepers. I hate those guys. These guys seem great.

I don't actually believe the story as told at all -- it seems false and impossible. However, I'm willing to suspend disbelief until more specific information is available, because if this happened without any mitigating circumstances, it's among the most dangerous things ever. However, I am positive that there must be mitigating circumstances.

He gave his fiancee's full name so that people could contact them at her facebook page. I can't pick up how her last is spelled; her first is "Stephanie." Can any of you get it?

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reply posted on 7-10-2010 @ 06:29 PM by nickoli

As an honorary member I highly doubt the validity of this video,highly doubt it. I also sent a message to the board making them aware of the claim. If Mr. Irish is lying he can expect swift retaliation and possible legal actions so he better be able to back up his claims. If Mr Irish is telling the truth he can expect quick help in a situation that deserves it. I dare,dare, triple double dog dare, anybody, badge or no badge to come after my kids because I support the oathkeepers. I'll abstain from commenting further untill I get a reply from the organization,if I do, I'll post it here.

The mothers name is Stephanie Janvrin found easily enough on facebook.

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reply posted on 7-10-2010 @ 06:52 PM by TrueAmerican

reply to post by nickoli

no no, go ahead brother, get MAD. REAL MAD. I have a hunch this story is true. It is not surprising in the least that they would try to allege his ties with oathkeepers constitute an improper place for the child to grow up, and consequently convinced HHS to seek a court order to seize the child- and got it.

They are making examples out of people one by one to discourage any participation in any kind of group that does its thinking with its head instead of its wallet.

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reply posted on 7-10-2010 @ 06:59 PM by iamsupermanv2

reply to post by TrueAmerican

I find it insanely hard to believe that "they" would openly equate being an Oath Keeper to anything bad so far as to take away someones child.

Take away someone's child that isn't involved in a group of people who know how to get things done and the media will hear about it if it was unjust.

Take away a Promise Keepers child under false pretenses...there is no way "They" could win.

reply posted on 7-10-2010 @ 07:10 PM by TrueAmerican

Originally posted by iamsupermanv2
I find it insanely hard to believe that "they" would openly equate being an Oath Keeper to anything bad so far as to take away someones child.

Yeah, I wish it was so hard to believe too. But there is precedent for it. Plenty!

reply posted on 7-10-2010 @ 07:30 PM by oddnutz

Although I have no real knowledge of American Laws and policies in regards to removing children from their parents and no real knowledge of American militia or other patriotic groups this story does seem a little far fetched and unbelievable. My instinct says there has to be more to it, on that note if you had of told me a week ago that firefighters in the U.S. would watch a house burn to the ground and not help extinguish the fire because the owner of the house did not pay a $75 fire levy I would never have believed that either, nothing is impossible in America anymore.

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reply posted on 7-10-2010 @ 07:56 PM by nickoli

reply to post by TrueAmerican

Trust me right now I'm seething,literally had to take a few to calm down untill details can be ascertained. I checked on the mothers fb,sent a friend request,no response yet. Same with oathkeepers got a generic email response to my email, no details.

Being a member of the oathkeepers oathkeepers.org... is no reason whatsoever for the state to take someones child,none. I really just cant believe this is true and really,woe be upon them if it is,they better have some damning information on Mr. Irish other than this or they're gonna be in the legal fight of their lives. Patiently awaiting verifiable facts but this could litterally be the straw that broke the camels back if true.

reply posted on 7-10-2010 @ 08:00 PM by Fractured.Facade

Maybe they should force some kind of sterilization procedure on all members of the Oath Keepers?

Cant have them breeding, can we? It would be less inflammatory in the long term than having to steal babies from them.

reply posted on 7-10-2010 @ 08:00 PM by TrueAmerican

reply to post by nickoli

Well thanks for being proactive about it, seriously. I will be curious to hear what you get back... They are going to start taking kids based on activism. We should have seen this coming, for sure.

reply posted on 7-10-2010 @ 08:02 PM by nickoli

reply to post by Fractured.Facade

I wish you would.

2nd line

reply posted on 7-10-2010 @ 08:07 PM by antar

Just waiting to hear what you discover, I hope this all works out for the new family and especially the little newborn who needs to smell her Mommie tonight, and to feel the touch and comfort only her parents can give, I also pray that the baby remains safe and well cared for, strange things do happen in custody...

www.facebook.com...#!/profile.php?id=1821086273

Heres the fb link

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reply posted on 7-10-2010 @ 08:12 PM by Fractured.Facade

Originally posted by nickoli
reply to post by Fractured.Facade

I wish you would.

2nd line

I can't, but there are no limits to the powers of our federal government, once you are named a threat and make their list, your lives belong to them, and now apparently even your children, especially when born into an environment that is considered dangerous.

Remember Waco?

Homegrown radicals, domestic terrorists, and any other group considered dangerous and on any watch lists should be warned... They will take your kids! ... Makes it easier in the future if they need to raid your homes and shoot the adults without worrying about the collateral damage and possibly having children involved.

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reply posted on 7-10-2010 @ 08:13 PM by burntheships

Posted this on the other thread, but since its a duplicate, I wanted to post this here.

Government Agents Seize Oath Keeper’s New Born From Hospital
New Hampshire, Wed. Oct. 6th, 2010
Last Night John Irish & Stephanie Janvrin had their new born baby girl taken away by government officials because of their involvement with Oath Keepers, a non violent constitutional organization. According to Irish, The Director of Security and the Head Nurse of the Hospital said “we want the pediatrician to check the baby in the nursery so that you can go home.” The baby was wheeled out in the bassinet under the protest of Irish. Irish followed them out a took note of 3-4 men wearing suits with detective badges as well as 3 police officers.

The Division of Family Child Services proceeded to pat down John and inform the parents they would be taking the daughter. “They Stole our Child” says John Irish. An Affidavit was produced that claimed an affiliation with a militia called Oath Keepers. Irish claims Oath Keepers is a non violent organization. John and Stephanie were able to spend a few minutes with their daughter and were forced to leave. A security officer escorted the two out of the hospital.

dprogram.net...

The falther of the newborn just posted on the other thread.

My heart goes out to them I so hope a good lawyer steps forward.

I can see no cause for State Kidnapping. This seems like it was done to strike fear into the hearts of men.
Thats playing dirty.

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reply posted on 7-10-2010 @ 08:16 PM by infolurker

This should be interesting. Definitely a story to follow.

I checked the site:
dprogram.net...

UPDATE: Watchman Noyes I have a copy of the affidavit and I can tell you that it says verbatim these words “The Division became aware and confirmed that Mr. Irish associated with a militia known as “Oath Keepers”, and had purchased several different types of weapons including a rifle, handgun and a taser.” (none of which is illegal, and anyone who has ever been to oathkeepers website knows that they are not a “militia”. I will not post the affidavit as it is still sealed information and I would be violating Mr. Irish’s rights in doing so. If people have questions and they are a part of the media, then I can put them in touch with him. Otherwise for now, this is all the information that we have.

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reply posted on 7-10-2010 @ 08:50 PM by TrueAmerican

reply to post by infolurker

Thanks.

Considering that the oathkeeper's website has the categories and obvious space for such a story, I am not going to say suspicious yet, but curious as to why it's not there. Could be a lot of cross checking going on to verify before they post it. None of us have to commit to a view until there is more info. And even then, you know how that can be.