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Originally posted by Jagedline
If I was Christian, this point can't be reconciled, it is wrong and I have to accept it as such.
Just because your friends have no issue with it, this does not make this okay in the eyes of their creator does it?
You took the oath correct?
If so you swore that you would not reveal the secrets. If you do reveal the secrets what is the punishment? Rather brutal isn't it?
If we stick to the Christian religion, isn't the human body considered a "Temple of God" ? If it is, does the Christian have the right or authority to allow another to desecrate that Temple?
The above is another example of the contradictions I mentioned. Of course you might say that you took the oath BUT no one would ever dream of following through with the punishment.
If one is truly a Christian how do they resolve these issues?
Maybe I am just intolerant and a fundamentalist. It must be that the Bible is a book of suggestions not the Word of God.
not that you will care, as you are just as obstinate as we are about your beliefs I am sure. But the oaths we take are to ourselves.
Originally posted by network dude
When I asked God if he minded, he didn't strike me down or anything, so I have to assume he is cool with it as well. We do talk often. He is a real nice guy.
Originally posted by Jagedline
If the Bible says it is wrong, how can you, me or anyone make it right?
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Make sure you say your prayers tonight, and do not foget I have my all-seeing eye on you.
Originally posted by network dude
I still don't have my beer. I am starting to think you don't care anymore.
Originally posted by Jagedline
It feels that my participation in this topic is starting to go in circles. If I failed to respond to your post or question, rest assured it was not ignored. If you would like a specific answer feel free to message me. Thank you all for your comments, they have been enlightening.
Thanks again.
Originally posted by Jagedline
There is no judgment here, I am asking questions. These questions are based on their claimed beliefs. As for the aversion to oaths, the passage quoted as well as another say that they are wrong. The argument of this person or that person chooses to do it is hollow. The Holy Book says it is wrong, not me. I just pointed to where it says this action is wrong.
Originally posted by Jagedline
While the information you present appears correct on the whole, what is the point? To make a connection between Masonry and Satan?
To Quote IAMIAM
"Some will join and find an occult slant, most do not though, even into the appendant bodies. The numbers are maybe 1 % of all Masons know anything about the occult world wide."
Here you have a Freemason acknowledging that there is a connection.
There is a reason for this, the Majority of Masons' are within the first 3 degrees.
Originally posted by rebeldog
dude must be a "low tier" mason.. the minions of gullible rubes used as pawns to project a wonderful reflection of the true evil which exists only in the higher degrees.. 23-33d degrees.. 23d degree is the first "EYE" opener.. their first "new" reality...
it is like a rookie congressman telling us govt isn't corrupt..
12. To dispel accusations of secretiveness, shouldn't Freemasonry be required to be more transparent?
No.
First, a distinction has to be made between "secretive" which implies wrongdoing, and "secret" which simply means private. Freemasons are private citizens who believe in all peoples' right to privacy.
As regards transparency, Freemasonry is not a public organization; it is a private society composed of private citizens who exercise that freedom of association and right to privacy enjoyed by all private citizens in western nations. Privacy is a fundamental human right recognized in the UN Declaration of Human Rights (10 December 1948), the International Convenant on Civil and Political Rights (1966), and in many other international and regional treaties. For example, Canadians are protected by the Personal Information Privacy Act (13 April 2000) while Australians are protected by the Privacy Act 1988 (See ISBN 978-1-877079-60-3).
That said, the names of elected leaders of masonic jurisdictions are often posted on their websites and contact information is often posted outside lodgehalls. Information is published about their philanthropic work, and friends and relatives are often invited to attend lodge functions. Where freemasons have formed charitable or property holding societies, these bodies file all documentation regarding officers and finances as is required by law.
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Originally posted by Sp33d
Out of curiosity...how does one become a mason?
Originally posted by rebeldog
dude must be a "low tier" mason.. the minions of gullible rubes used as pawns to project a wonderful reflection of the true evil which exists only in the higher degrees.. 23-33d degrees.. 23d degree is the first "EYE" opener.. their first "new" reality...
it is like a rookie congressman telling us govt isn't corrupt..
Originally posted by Rockpuck
32º wasn't that awe inspiring.. personally, I liked the 14th the best.
You should read The Year of Living Biblically. A guy went for a whole year trying to live by ALL the rules in the Bible, just to see if it could be done today... No wearing clothes of mixed fibers; no shaving; must throw stones at adulterers; must not touch a woman who's menstruating; etc.
Originally posted by Jagedline
Christians (in this discussion) can not have their cake and eat it too. If they are religious, they can not pick and choose what applies like they are at buffet line.
Well, there was that one banker. under that bridge in London that one time… But that was a mafia hit disguised to look like Masonic payback.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
No one ever has had the punishment applied to them for breaking the oaths. It is soley your conscience which bears the burden of breaking your obligation.
Originally posted by rebeldog
dude must be a "low tier" mason.. the minions of gullible rubes used as pawns to project a wonderful reflection of the true evil which exists only in the higher degrees.. 23-33d degrees.. 23d degree is the first "EYE" opener.. their first "new" reality...