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Originally posted by Jagedline
No one can debunk facts. The facts are that the authors mentioned have been tied to occult teachings. Whether or not I believe they are lucifarians is irrelevant. I stated this because that is one of the primary reasons that Freemasons are labeled as "satanist" and the like. Most people that make these claims have no idea what they are talking about. And most blue lodge Masons have no clue about this, they are stuck fighting a battle knowing half the facts. BTW cherry pie can only be tied to Satan if it has whipped cream on it!
Originally posted by Jagedline
I am wondering if you read my initial post. It is in this thread about 3-4 posts up.
Originally posted by Jagedline
reply to post by IAMIAM
Well said. I wrote my initial post with the full intent of recognizing the good virtues of the Masons. I was also trying too help those who haven't done any investigation, understand where the negative disinformation originated. It was not meant to be a "Freemasons in nutshell" post.
Thank you for the intelligent discussion on the topic.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
I'll teleport to high command and see if there is anyway to contain the damage.
Originally posted by Jagedline
The person who wrote and established the 33 degrees in the Scottish Rite is none other than Albert Pike. Mr. Pike happened to also pen the foundational book for this group. The book is called Morals and Dogma.
It is in this book as well as books from Manly P. Hall and various others that the mystery comes into play.
Originally posted by JoshNorton
reply to post by Dr Cosma
P2 was a Mafia front styling itself as a Masonic lodge. The real lodges had nothing to do with that group.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
When his tools go flying, the blood pours from his hand, the thought of giving up enters his mind, this is when he learns of the patient love of the Master.
He binds the apprentices hand to stop the bleeding, picks up his tools, and says "Rest, I'll show you how its done".
Then the Master approaches the stone and works the tools with a patient grace delicately removing every unwanted flaw and imperfection. Upon the stone, the once hard and lifeless surface, the delicate features emerge. It is but an eye, the apprentices eye, perfect in shape and form.
Originally posted by JoshNorton
Considering ANY 3rd degree Mason can become a 32° Mason for about $150 and a weekend workshop, no, your imagination of how the structure of Masonry works is seriously flawed.
Originally posted by rebeldog
dude must be a "low tier" mason.. the minions of gullible rubes used as pawns to project a wonderful reflection of the true evil which exists only in the higher degrees.. 23-33d degrees.. 23d degree is the first "EYE" opener.. their first "new" reality...
No, it's not an honor, they're just degrees, and the fact that it makes you a 32° Mason doesn't give you any power or sway over 3° Masons at all. It's just more education.
Originally posted by DJM8507
Where can someone do this? It can't be that easy can it? I meant there has to be some time invested or some 'work' involved in earning it, right?
Originally posted by 33Levels
a friend of mines whose uncle was a Mason, said that being a Mason is like having a VIP pass to life
Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by DJM8507
nope. That's it. You go to a reunion and spend anywhere from 1 to 3 days watching plays that teach the degrees. I went through just after I was raised. I had very little idea what masonry was and I was a 32nd degree. Now I understand why nobody worries about "RANK" in masonry. respect is given by earning it. Not by wearing a pin.
Originally posted by DJM8507
How hard is it to be a Mason? Are you required to donate X amount of dollars or x amount of hours volunteering? Are you forced to participate in various activities/etc? or are there people who are masons but participate very little?