I always thought if done properly Communism could work, I was talking about it with a friend and he said who would regulate and lead it and who would regulate and keep them/that person in check

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Originally posted by TheNewKid
I always thought if done properly Communism could work, I was talking about it with a friend and he said who would regulate and lead it and who would regulate and keep them/that person in check

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It can't work, it's the human factor. I know what comunism is. It was an experiment in the east, the east block was an experiment. It failed. For comunism to work you would need robots. If we are all robots what is the point in walking around. The idea of a social class is not to built on only laws. You see for it to work you must want it to work, to feel the need to give a helping hand without the law request. This has gone wrong, and if they want to implement it all over the world it will fail. When it fails you will get a flood or an ice age. Then it's off to building again, stupid little fools. I want to live like "commun people" you know that song now you get the idea.
I want to be sheeple, I do not have ideas, I'm just a robot.

When you hear it, A new "Idea" a new world order, it will be the last idea among humanity.
You will be like a zombie feeding on the product already in place, the little robot, the little snich, god I can't wait for the ice age. I'm for a little bit of that, a little bit of this and it all works.

The arguments that people use against communism always confuse me a little.

It's usually, communism can't work because people are greedy and corrupt, but people are greedy and corrupt within any system it's just that in capitalism greed is a positive attribute to have, in fact greed is almost the whole point of capitalism.
So communism can't work because of peoples greed so lets instead have a system that has greed built into it from the start... I dont get it

There has never been a communist state on the face of this planet, and I doubt there will be one in the next 300 years.

what a perfect thread for me
thank you for posting
i am a very open socialist or communist for the uneducated
and pepsi78
socialism would work
imagine a government ran by us for us (kinda the skinheaded really)
ever one get paid equilly no super rich people we where all literally equil.
we get provided house
the only thing i have with the socialism is the job thing we should beable to choose our jobs not just have it give to us

but in this economie i think we`d take what was givin to us...
any way you have any question for me u2u me ill get back asap

Originally posted by davespanners
The arguments that people use against communism always confuse me a little.

It's usually, communism can't work because people are greedy and corrupt, but people are greedy and corrupt within any system it's just that in capitalism greed is a positive attribute to have, in fact greed is almost the whole point of capitalism.
So communism can't work because of peoples greed so lets instead have a system that has greed built into it from the start... I dont get it

this is what i was trying to say but couldn't word it

Originally posted by davespanners
The arguments that people use against communism always confuse me a little.

It's usually, communism can't work because people are greedy and corrupt, but people are greedy and corrupt within any system it's just that in capitalism greed is a positive attribute to have, in fact greed is almost the whole point of capitalism.
So communism can't work because of peoples greed so lets instead have a system that has greed built into it from the start... I dont get it

I dont see anything wrong with that, its sound logic:
1. people are greedy and corrupt within any system, we cant change that
2. optimal route is then to design a system which exploits this inherent greed to produce positive things for the society and motivate people to work for the society, since people are allowed to fulfill their greed only by contributing (capitalism). Designing a system which either ignores (Venus) or punishes this inherent greed (Communism) would be illogical, since you cant go against nature and change people to robots.

Its perfectly logical to have something you cannot change built into the system from the start, and design the system with it in mind. Its pointless to try to change something you cannot change, or pretend it doesnt exist (Venus).

History:
communism came to power in russia during and right after WW1 .. and only 3 years after the US allowed the Federal Feserve to start handling the currency!
the original commie theories were written and executed by Mark/Engles, Lenin/Trotsky.
all four were Jewish! (as were Stalin AND HITLER) BELEIVE IT OR NOT!!!

communism quickly became a super-police force in russia and other surrounding nations.

it has worked perfect for all the big money boys .. regardless of what nation or type of government - with few exceptions - usually nations where the economy is nominal (like Cuba).

just look at today's financial system.

communism in REALITY isn't much different than any other system.

all "modern" systems are based on a central bank in almost all nations except for only a couple, like Iran, N.Korea, etc.

even Iraq and Afghanistan have World Bank controlled central banks (despite the Islam thing).
Iraq and Afghanistan's central banks were established recently (after the Allied military invasions).

when the USSR decided to let communism fall, guess who rewrote the financial systems and established new countries and borders in the "former" Soviet Bloc?

it was written by big investment banks with "mergers and aquisitions" departments.
(Goldman Sachs, Rothschilds, etc etc)
(they use "backdoor" consulting companies and "phantom" contractors and law firms)

(they also invented the European Union) (politicians arn't "estute" enough to do something this complicated!)

now, we see "open" corruption as opposed to "closed" corruption in all the "former" communist nations in Europe!

all this "big money" dealing seems to point back to the Bank of England (the oldest central bank in the world)!

while communism may seem worthy in theory, it never worked for the common person.

that's why they wrote it to sound like it was good ...

communism was just another tool for the big money factions that control almost every nation today.

p.s. Chinese communism is similar, but has much less "Jewish Infuence", they seem to keep better control of their central banking, even with close to 2 billion people!

if communism was soooo bad, why does the US do so much business with the remaining communist nations?

simple answer: its all about money - nothing else!

Originally posted by TheOneElectric
There has never been a communist state on the face of this planet, and I doubt there will be one in the next 300 years.

correct, they only have been calling it communism ..
for big money purposes only.

It's been a pretty long time since my college days when I read the manifesto and Das Kapital, and the realities of trying to earn a few coins have mostly overwritten any political ideals I had in that area so there is now big gaps in my knowledge.

Can any one remind me, is there actually anything in the "rules" of communism that necessitate the state being a dictatorship? Can there be such a thing as a communist democracy?

Originally posted by davespanners
Can any one remind me, is there actually anything in the "rules" of communism that necessitate the state being a dictatorship? Can there be such a thing as a communist democracy?

No.

And Marx is only part of the picture, not the be-all and end-all of communism. He didn't invent communism or socialism, he just had HIS idea of how they should be implemented.

Communism IS democratic, just like socialism. They are both systems that work on grass roots level democratic, non-authoritative systems.

What you had in Russia, China etc., was capitalism, they still had private ownership of the means of production.
The differences we see are simply cultural, not economical.

True communism is a system with no economy and everything is produced for peoples need, and are equally shared. Socialism is when the means of production are owned by the workers, so instead of 'profit' going to the 'private owner' it goes to the workers, and it can have a monetary economy. You can't look at Russia, China etc., and say communism doesn't work, because they are not an example of communism, or socialism. It is to the Wests capitalists interest to paint those countries, and communism/socialism as bad, as they are in competition for domination of markets and socialism/communism are a direct threat to capitalists. In order for capitalists to maintain power the workers have to be submissive.
It all stems from the workers revolution, starting before WWI and ending with Spain in '39 and WWII. The power the working class was gaining was a direct threat to the capitalists (private owners of the means of production). The PTB (capitalists) were scared, it's why we ended up with 2 world wars. Since then we have been passivized with TV etc.