The true face of religion

The opening lines of Sun Tzu’s famous work The Art of War explains the importance of the Moral Law as one of “five constant factors, to be taken into account in one’s deliberations” [1] In verses 5 and 6 in the first chapter (showing how important this is) he states: “The Moral Law causes the people to be in complete accord with their ruler, so that they will follow him regardless of their lives, undismayed by any anger” [2]

As you see the moral code was of extreme importance for one of the greatest generals of all time. One example of such a Moral Law is the Torah (the Pentateuch), another is the Moral Code laid down by the Roman Pontiff during the Crusades. And yet another is the Babylonian Talmud or even Hitler’s “Mein Kampf”.

The need for a Moral Law to a ruler therefore, be it as a general of an army or leader of a nation or for that matter a congregation, is not there in order to make his subdivisions or people better men and women, but rather to better have control over them and acquire complete loyalty from the same.

Seeing this, one might get the idea that a Moral Law or Code is immoral in itself. And that’s why Jesjuah’s single commandment, “Love each other”, was not good enough for the ones who took control over Christianity soon after they had killed off and/or confused through “divide and conquer” -- the original congregations and followers of our Prophet Jesjuah ha Mesjiach -- and which later turned into Roman Catholicism. They had to define when and who to love, and who and what to hate. Jesjuah’s command was simply too vague and people wouldn’t fight. If they were hit in the face they turned the other cheek, if they were stoned they even forgave their murderers while they were slowly killed.

Knowing this it’s not difficult to understand how Christianity soon became one of the most effective tools of war and oppression.

Sources:
[1] Sun Tzu, “The Art of War” Chapter 1, verse 3. ISBN-13 978-1-59308-017-4 Barnes and Noble Classics
[2] Sun Tzu, “The Art of War” Chapter 1, verses 5 and 6. ISBN-13 978-1-59308-017-4 Barnes and Noble Classics

Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
The opening lines of Sun Tzu’s famous work The Art of War explains the importance of the Moral Law as one of “five constant factors, to be taken into account in one’s deliberations” [1] In verses 5 and 6 in the first chapter (showing how important this is) he states: “The Moral Law causes the people to be in complete accord with their ruler, so that they will follow him regardless of their lives, undismayed by any anger” [2]

As you see the moral code was of extreme importance for one of the greatest generals of all time. One example of such a Moral Law is the Torah (the Pentateuch), another is the Moral Code laid down by the Roman Pontiff during the Crusades. And yet another is the Babylonian Talmud or even Hitler’s “Mein Kampf”.

The need for a Moral Law to a ruler therefore, be it as a general of an army or leader of a nation or for that matter a congregation, is not there in order to make his subdivisions or people better men and women, but rather to better have control over them and acquire complete loyalty from the same.

Seeing this, one might get the idea that a Moral Law or Code is immoral in itself. And that’s why Jesjuah’s single commandment, “Love each other”, was not good enough for the ones who took control over Christianity soon after they had killed off and/or confused through “divide and conquer” -- the original congregations and followers of our Prophet Jesjuah ha Mesjiach -- and which later turned into Roman Catholicism. They had to define when and who to love, and who and what to hate. Jesjuah’s command was simply too vague and people wouldn’t fight. If they were hit in the face they turned the other cheek, if they were stoned they even forgave their murderers while they were slowly killed.

Knowing this it’s not difficult to understand how Christianity soon became one of the most effective tools of war and oppression.

Sources:
[1] Sun Tzu, “The Art of War” Chapter 1, verse 3. ISBN-13 978-1-59308-017-4 Barnes and Noble Classics
[2] Sun Tzu, “The Art of War” Chapter 1, verses 5 and 6. ISBN-13 978-1-59308-017-4 Barnes and Noble Classics

edit on 27/9/2010 by Neo Christian Mystic because: Completed the sentance between the --'s

Can you please edit out all mentions of judaism - Talmud, from your post.

Thankyou. If you do not, i will inform the ADL and you will be in big trouble mister.

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You're not threatening the OP, are you? I'd like to think your comment was a joke

Originally posted by RadicalGnostic
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You're not threatening the OP, are you? I'd like to think your comment was a joke

Um i think the `youll be in big trouble mister`` was what made that post an obvious joke.

I will not be calling the ADL - not even a fan of them. In my mind they cause as opposed to prevent the issue of antisemitism.

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My apologies. The Zionist isn't close to my heart, either. They like to censor the truth more than anyone else I know. There is genetic evidence that there are no Semites in Israel, yet they continue to label people who disagree with them anti-semitic.

I am reminded of my mother's admonition: Believe none of what you hear, and maybe half of what you see. That was 40 years ago, and more true today than ever.

My thoughts on religion are probably gonna piss a lot of people off but here it goes....

All of the religious texts of the world are nothing more than elaborate fairy tales that have important moral undertones FOR THE TIME THEY WERE WRITTEN.

We have advanced pretty far since those times so it's a possibility that not all of the morals taught are even remotely relevant today, yet people continue to take them as divine law.

Don't forget that there were entire books of the original texts of the bible that were REMOVED by the Roman Catholics because they did not go along with what they wanted people to believe.

It all comes down to TBTB manipulating the real religious texts to control the people and make them good little puppets.

Originally posted by RadicalGnostic
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My apologies. The Zionist isn't close to my heart, either. They like to censor the truth more than anyone else I know. There is genetic evidence that there are no Semites in Israel, yet they continue to label people who disagree with them anti-semitic.

I am reminded of my mother's admonition: Believe none of what you hear, and maybe half of what you see. That was 40 years ago, and more true today than ever.

I am sort of a religious zionist, in that i support the state of Israel and its right to exist. I also dismiss those theories that Askenazi Jews are Khazarians. Theres more than enough evidence showing Jews in Portugal, Spain, England, France, Italy, and The Balkhans, and Greece and Cilisia long before the advent of the Khazarian empire. Romes Jews go as back as 456 BCE - when the Jews were exiled. A band when up to the islands in the meditteranean and eventually found their way to Rome. The Jews entered spain and portugal through morrocco also many many generations back. And Rashi, the famous Jewish Rabbinic Sage was writing in France in 1000 CE. Jews, especially the Cohanism, and Leviyim were firm,y established in the heart of Europe. Through the middle ages Jews began migrating westward to Europe from the Lands of Spain and Portugal, following the inquisition in the 1300, 1400, and 1500s, and also from England in 1290. Jews have a very long history in Europe. Why people insist that todays Jews are Khazarian Jews is because certain irreputable authors posited and popularized theories, with the help of the publishers and funded by aristocratic interests.

Also, theres plenty of genetic evidence linking todays Jews to sephardic Jews. These Sephardi obviously being from the land of North Africa, Yemen, Israel, Iraq, Turkey, Lebanon, Iran, the caucasus, and a small band even in India and China. So, you got a disperal of Jews all over the earth. Large numbers have been maintained in the arab lands (about 2 million sephardis today), and likewise, in the much more prosperous and advanced european lands, the Jews propogated at a staggering pace - even despite the many attempts made throughout Christian Europes dismal memory of persecuting the Jews in pogram after pogram and Romes specific attempt to humilate the Jews of Rome by locking them up in ghettos - while forcing cruel taxes and issuing discriminatory decrees against them. For isntance, the pontiff of rome would annually give a ecunemical that would lambaste the Jews as filthy amoral criminals with a lust for money and power - always being careful to mention the mythological `murder`of Jesus, and for thier obdurance, have committed themselves to the tyranny of the church, the spouse of `christ`.

But more importantly, theres no question at all in the Jewish world, even despite the enormous misrepresentation of Sephardi Jews in Israeli politics (about 95% of the Israels ruling families are ashkenazi) there still is a mutual respect and brotherhood recognized specifically between traditional Sephardic and Ashkenazi Orthodox Judaism. You go up to any Orthodox Sephardi and ask them about their Ashkenazi Brethren and see what they have to say. They`ll defend their Jewishness and dismiss the claims to the otherwise as Antisemitic propaganda. These are sephardis who have every reason to dislike the Ashkenazi and yet, knowing better, because for one Ashkenazi and Sephardi rabbinic figures have always been travelling back and forth to one another over the generations to keep in touch about each others development. The Israeli mystical city of Safed which has been a sort of meeting ground for the sages of Judaism, has laways been visited and populated by Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews. Theres no tension, just love. This shows one, the great maturity of Jews to honor their religious and spiritual principles. It is important to maintain important creeds, like, for instance, any gentile can convert to Judaism and become 100% a Jew. To even question ones Jewishness based on his nationality is an unforgiveable offence. Everyone who converts is a Jew, whether from an arab or european place. And secondly, their very educated about their history. they know that historically christian powers have spread libels and calumnies about them; they know that they have been persecuted and treated incredibly invidiously by the gnostic christian empire - its nobility, because of Judaisms mystical beliefs. Judaism is nothing like the philosophies of the outside world, from china, to india, to tibet, to iran, babylon, egypt, greece, rome, germania, gaul, etc, throughout the ancient world, a `perennial` philosophy united people with peoples. If they had anything in common, it was the esoteric dimension of their spiritualities. This is especially in Hinduism, Islam, Christianity. Many many ideas unite these 3.

Anyways. Long story short, Jews are a varied varied people. You have your Secular Jews, who are of the socialist persuasion (and i wouldnt deny a sabbatean,frankist,gnostic connection with the euorpean nobility), than you have your conservatives, reform, who have been completely swept up by the fervor of the Jewish enlightenment (Haskala) and than theres been the real Jews. The true Jews - true to their peoples history, who have always been at constant odds, on a very contentious level, with the jewish enlightenment. look for yourself, Europes greatest rabbis have denounced the socialist Jewish agenda to establish a secular Jewish state that would ultimately be apart of a Greater middle east federation.

Also, as for other Jewish questions, like, the Jews having no connection to the land. Thats absurd. Their writings throughout history are filled with solemn pleas to g-d to return to Israel and frequent trips by great sages through out the times into Israel. Jews have ALWAYS had a connection with this land. Not just that, unlike the TransJordanian people who call themselves `palestinians`a play on the Jewish enemy, the philistines, Jews have their own unique language which has always been historically associated with Israel. Those people speak Arabic. There are 22 other arab countries that could take them in, but no... Theyre used as political fodder to keep the pressure and persecution of the Jews alive and strong.

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religion is the most potent and uniquely human cultural force. as long as it has existed and as long as it exists it will be hijacked by men and women, conartists, and opportunists to garner a following. as long as it has existed and as long as it exists it will also be a powerful inspiration for activists and transformative figures who seek to build followings of peace and understanding.

many, many more people who participate in neither of these types of movements will follow a religion somewhere in the wide spectrum in between.

religion never killed anyone.

Originally posted by snusfanatic
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religion is the most potent and uniquely human cultural force. as long as it has existed and as long as it exists it will be hijacked by men and women, conartists, and opportunists to garner a following. as long as it has existed and as long as it exists it will also be a powerful inspiration for activists and transformative figures who seek to build followings of peace and understanding.

many, many more people who participate in neither of these types of movements will follow a religion somewhere in the wide spectrum in between.

religion never killed anyone.

I agree, the western model of religion is horribly unjust. But, i dont think that disproves the worth of the concept of religion.

Religion is good when its leaders are good. Ultimately, the worth in a religion lies in its sincerity and emphasis on mans inherent spiritual situation. If it emphasizes good deeds and proper human relations, explains the concept of evil in light of a greater purpose meant to strengthen man, you encourage a deep mystical experience of the creator nad not simply blind faith, but a deep understanding about G-d and his creation through a mystical basis, than i think religion can soundly serve its purpose. Powerful thingws can act in one of two ways. It can be either powerful in a negative way or power in a positive way, like a swinging pendellum.

I think eventually well all be united by a universal religion, even if this means a deep sense of brotherhood, love and peace, as opposed to a specific dogmatic belief sytsem. But, certain ethical laws would need to be upheld to signify mans inherent dignity, being made in the image of his source. Do not blaspheme G-ds name, but honor and revere our ineffable source, do not steal, do not act in sexually immoraral ways, do not murder, do not commit idolatry (in the sense that our life should be understood as an extension of the divine. As such, we should look to anything other than our ever present source), do not abuse animals but treat them with respect and love, and to establish a Just legal system.

Such a world would realize the true value of religion. Everyone would be learning to follow a higher order than their own, and than with this inherent humility, humanity and simplicity, we can all grow spiritually in a positive direction - away from the mess that we live in right now.

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You are a gentile who is a Jew. I am a Sjemite who is a gentile. Get over it. Anti-Sjemite!

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Then we shall agree to disagree on the subject.

I appreciate the scholarship and logic of your argument; we simply disagree, which is a good friendly thing, IMO.

Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
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You are a gentile who is a Jew. I am a Sjemite who is a gentile. Get over it. Anti-Sjemite!

lol... Thats true.

Your a Jew?

Originally posted by RadicalGnostic
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Then we shall agree to disagree on the subject.

I appreciate the scholarship and logic of your argument; we simply disagree, which is a good friendly thing, IMO.

Yes it is. I like your attitude.

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No, I am a Shemite, like more than 2 billon other people in this world if we are to believe Beresjit The Jewish branch of the Shemite tree is a small insignificant one in numbers actually. Most Shemites aren't whether Jews nor Arabs you know. Good you could laugh anyway

Originally posted by dontreally
Can you please edit out all mentions of judaism - Talmud, from your post.

Thankyou. If you do not, i will inform the ADL and you will be in big trouble mister.

You will inform who? Inform whoever you want. You have been a religious convert to Judaism how long?

I understand that you feel these words and traditions are sacred and "untouchable", but if you feel threatened by what I said in my OP (where I showed how books like Talmud and Mein Kampf, together with the Decrees of the Roman Pontif are excellent tools in relation to my sentiment in my OP), you need to calm down and realise we live in democracies where freedom of speech is mandatory. I am not refering to Judaism or Christianity or any other religion, but use the referances in my OP to show examples of "Moral Laws/Codes" which have been either originally made or has been developed in order to wage war more successfully. These books are relevant.

Originally posted by snusfanatic

religion never killed anyone.

Which is identical reasoning to "Guns don't kill people, people do". But like guns are nessasary tools for waging war, religion and the existance of a "Moral Code" for the purpose of dicipline and subordinance, is.

Look beyond the fact that Byrd moved this topic from cobnsoiracies and see ho thhis site is the stie.... site of imbiguance, maybe we'll make something matter.Christianity, like all other beliefs together with what we can.........

Damn. We are with you and we never stay.

Joke