It's the same thing both parties do before every election. They make a lot of pretty speeches and promises, tell us what they think we want to hear,
and have little intention of following through unless it benefits them in some way. At this point i don't believe a word any of them say and judging
by recent polls I've seen I'm not the only one who doesn't.
Conservative Activists Not Sold on GOP 'Pledge To America" Just election BS?, page 1
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Topic started on 24-9-2010 @ 11:14 AM by OldDragger
In my opinion the so called "Pledge To America" is just a PR campaign to get Republicans elected in November. Call me cynical, but it seems that The
Republican Congress under Bush violated most of this "pledge", and that these are the SAME people that now swear they won't screw up again!
Dems are often accused of blaming Bush, I think the Repubs do the same thing! This "we lost our way" stuff seems fake to me. I don't trust 'em!
Conservative Activists Not Sold on GOP 'Pledge To America"
"The document is heavy on economic themes, pledging to keep the Bush tax cuts, cap federal spending, institute a federal hiring freeze, and whack Congress' budget. But traditional GOP social issues literally fell to the back of the line. A proposal to permanently end federal funding for abortion was listed last under a series of health care proposals, while enforcing immigration laws and strengthening America's borders came only at the end of a section on national security"
Is it me or does this thing sound like just trying to give voters what the GOP establishment thinks they want to hear?
Dems are often accused of blaming Bush, I think the Repubs do the same thing! This "we lost our way" stuff seems fake to me. I don't trust 'em!
Conservative Activists Not Sold on GOP 'Pledge To America"
"The document is heavy on economic themes, pledging to keep the Bush tax cuts, cap federal spending, institute a federal hiring freeze, and whack Congress' budget. But traditional GOP social issues literally fell to the back of the line. A proposal to permanently end federal funding for abortion was listed last under a series of health care proposals, while enforcing immigration laws and strengthening America's borders came only at the end of a section on national security"
Is it me or does this thing sound like just trying to give voters what the GOP establishment thinks they want to hear?
reply posted on 24-9-2010 @ 12:31 PM by SeesFar
reply to post by OldDragger
I try to keep an eye on Eric Cantor and his efforts toward getting some kind of fiscal reform going. He *seems* to be genuine in his efforts, at least so far as the "YouCut" program is concerned. Interestingly, if you go to the YouCut site and look at all the expense cuts Americans have voted for and which have been presented to Congress ... and review the voting records on those things ... it is overwhelmingly the Democrats who are refusing to cut spending.
I'm conservative in most of my views, though not a Republican. I don't understand why so many people are so firmly attached to the two parties-in-power. If they were truly so different behind closed doors, we wouldn't be in the mess that we're in. On the other hand, if we look at all the sessions of Congress since 1945 ( uspolitics.about.com... ), we can see that most of the Sessions in which one Party held the majority, that majority has been held by the Democrats. Further, we can see that during the Clinton years (when the Country did better financially ... by comparison), it was the Republicans who held the majority. Presidents don't vote those laws, spending sprees, etc. in ... Congress does and, from my perspective, specifically it's been the Democrats.
That said, the Republicans who held the majority briefly under Bush didn't do much better than the Democrats who preceded them where spending is concerned and the Democrats that came in behind them were even worse.
Perhaps (*ahem*) SOME of the elected Republicans mean well with their Pledge; however, if any of them regardless of Party affiliation want ME to believe anything, then they're going to need to:
Pass a law stating no Bill can be more than 50 pages long;
That the Bill must be titled clearly with its intent;
That nothing in the Bill can pertain to anything but the title.
And then pass one limiting terms.
They mentioned tagging any bills with the Constitutional authority (terribly paraphrasing there; sorry) ... when they're ready to add to that they will remove themselves from office if they violate it ... and have that statement notarized and publicized... maybe i'll consider believing them then.
And i'd feel a lot better if a whole bunch of the Democrats joined them and produced their own notarized statements of that promise, too.
I believe there are some honest people (regardless of political affiliation) out there who truly DO want the good of American citizens. I just don't think many of them hold public office.
I try to keep an eye on Eric Cantor and his efforts toward getting some kind of fiscal reform going. He *seems* to be genuine in his efforts, at least so far as the "YouCut" program is concerned. Interestingly, if you go to the YouCut site and look at all the expense cuts Americans have voted for and which have been presented to Congress ... and review the voting records on those things ... it is overwhelmingly the Democrats who are refusing to cut spending.
I'm conservative in most of my views, though not a Republican. I don't understand why so many people are so firmly attached to the two parties-in-power. If they were truly so different behind closed doors, we wouldn't be in the mess that we're in. On the other hand, if we look at all the sessions of Congress since 1945 ( uspolitics.about.com... ), we can see that most of the Sessions in which one Party held the majority, that majority has been held by the Democrats. Further, we can see that during the Clinton years (when the Country did better financially ... by comparison), it was the Republicans who held the majority. Presidents don't vote those laws, spending sprees, etc. in ... Congress does and, from my perspective, specifically it's been the Democrats.
That said, the Republicans who held the majority briefly under Bush didn't do much better than the Democrats who preceded them where spending is concerned and the Democrats that came in behind them were even worse.
Perhaps (*ahem*) SOME of the elected Republicans mean well with their Pledge; however, if any of them regardless of Party affiliation want ME to believe anything, then they're going to need to:
Pass a law stating no Bill can be more than 50 pages long;
That the Bill must be titled clearly with its intent;
That nothing in the Bill can pertain to anything but the title.
And then pass one limiting terms.
They mentioned tagging any bills with the Constitutional authority (terribly paraphrasing there; sorry) ... when they're ready to add to that they will remove themselves from office if they violate it ... and have that statement notarized and publicized... maybe i'll consider believing them then.
And i'd feel a lot better if a whole bunch of the Democrats joined them and produced their own notarized statements of that promise, too.
I believe there are some honest people (regardless of political affiliation) out there who truly DO want the good of American citizens. I just don't think many of them hold public office.
reply posted on 24-9-2010 @ 12:35 PM by snusfanatic
reply to post by OldDragger
Aren't all campaign promises just giving voters/activists what they want to hear? I fail to see why or how this is any different. These pledges don't work very well anyways. All the most respected studies of the "Contract with America" show that most people who voted GOP that year were unaware of the contract. Both parties do these pledges and contracts and 'first 100 days,' before and after elections so they can be part of the first-draft-of-history. These things are more about branding a particular election for future generations and later elections then they are about winning current elections.
Aren't all campaign promises just giving voters/activists what they want to hear? I fail to see why or how this is any different. These pledges don't work very well anyways. All the most respected studies of the "Contract with America" show that most people who voted GOP that year were unaware of the contract. Both parties do these pledges and contracts and 'first 100 days,' before and after elections so they can be part of the first-draft-of-history. These things are more about branding a particular election for future generations and later elections then they are about winning current elections.
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