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By Garret Moore, Producer/Director UFOEARTH.NET
"I was asked about my experience with knowing Kal Korff. I had mentioned him when at a conference talking to someone about Billy Meier. I had had an experience that involved Kal many years ago that proved to be the beginning of a trail of unfortunate and sad stories I would hear over the next almost 30 years. I might have been one of the first to know his tree’s fruit. Bitter as it was and proved to me to be.
Early in my career as an illustrator and graphic designer, I was 23 at the time, a best friend of mine who was at that time a writer for Astrology Magazine among other publications, told me of someone he knew who was publishing a book and needed illustrations. I had already been published doing illustrations for a magazine article for Bill, but was, as a young artist and graphic designer, looking for as much valid paying work as I could to build my portfolio.
My friend, a talented writer himself, introduced me to a younger man, Kal Korff, around 18-19 years old I thought, that told me with a convincing air of authority that he was a UFO investigator and was publishing a book exposing a hoax with then noted author Bill Moore (no relation) who, he said, was also a well known authority on UFOs. He said that they needed several illustrations for this book based on photos that where allegedly taken of an alien craft by a certain Billy Meier in Switzerland.
Going forward, if you post something that is not 100% your own writing or work you must use the QUOTE BOX TAG, post NO MORE THAN 15% of the original (or three paragraphs, whichever is least), and GIVE A LINK TO THE SOURCE MATERIAL. If the work you are posting is not on the internet, from a book for example, you MUST give a credit for that Book ( the title), its Author and Publisher.
Originally posted by Frankinmouse
Thanks for the reply,
The point is though that in the past, it's been almost impossible to have a rational discussion about parts of the case without someone quoting evidence of hoax that itself was fabricated by Kal Korff, or actually using the fabricated pictures from Korff as evidence in a discussion ,their view that since they read somewhere that it was proved in the 1980's that Meier hoaxed his photo's that any discussion about any part of the case was pointless. There are clearly dodgy elements to the Meier case but there's still a bunch of amazing photographs that no one will talk about except to regurgitate Korffs nonsence.
People on this forum will believe that reptiles and grey aliens are running the world and that the world trade center was hit by missile disguised as a holographic jetliner but won't accept that a man regularly getting hundreds of clear pictures of UFO's developed in a small photo shop in the 1970's would get his evidence tampered with once people found out about it.
Originally posted by triplesod
Mr Horn by any chance?
Originally posted by wasco2
Regardless of what Kal Korff is or is not Billy Meier is still an obvious shameless hoaxer and anyone who believes him is merely demonstrating their own unfortunate inability to discern fact from fiction.
Originally posted by Frankinmouse
Harte : "I've seen Meier pics where you could actually see the suspending line, though. I believe there are some right here on ATS.
Korff might be an ass, but he was also right. "
Did you actually read my post?? It's proof about Korff .....who fabricated the pictures.....that you find on ATS and other sites....with suspenion lines in them......that people quote back to you when talking about Meier...... please read the bloody post at least before commenting.
Yes I am Michael Horn, so is my mother and so is my brothers wife. For F****s sake not everybody interested in Meier is michael horn.
I'm glad i posted this up, it was just an exercise in seeing if anyone here would at least make an attempt to use reason and logic in a discussion about the subject matter. And tadaa.......no. The only response has been to make a comment that is completey ridiculous considering the original post and to assume I'm michael horn and ignore the matter entirely.
Well done ATS on another stunning piece of promoting ignorance.
Maybe someone just wanted to have a logical discussion without idiots screaming at them for once...maybe not?
No not bloody "maybe not" actually that was entirely the case. You can keep your stars flags, you guys can use them to fight off dem aliens infestin our planet or try throwing them at the next holographic jet liner you see heading for you see how that works out for you.
If Frankinmouse is Horne, that would actually make some sense.
..they refuse to discuss the other 200 high quality photos that are harder to deal with..