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Please excuse me but if it's speculative and your belief then why do you speak in statements of fact? Through out the OP and up until recent?
And incidentally, why must they be friendly or hostile? You did not cover the fact that they could be neutral.
I'm sorry, this is ridiculous. I can't even believe that I spent time reading it. (Ashamed)
Anyways, if there was aliens out there, and they knew about us- I think we would know.
and the possibility that they (more advanced than us) just want to leave us alone is SO freakin' slim.
Originally posted by mnm.carper
reply to post by Scramjet76
I really feel a bit sorry for you....
Originally posted by amari
Here is the short version of the communications between a non-biological alien entity with Matilida O' Donnell MacElroy a nurse assigned to interview the alien entity that survived the crash at Roswell.
Originally posted by mbkennel
The remaining reason why ETs might want to come is not that they want physical resources (which would be widely distributed among uninhabited planets and asteroids) but biological materials.
These would be unique to Earth and the lifeforms which reside there.
It may not be practical or possible to cultivate or grow these in ETs own colony, and in the case of humans, it may be illegal for them to breed and hold humans in captivity for the purpose of biopharmaceutical farming.
Or perhaps they do have such farms but require frequent reseeding and samples from native "wild-type" organisms living on Earth. Ecosystems are complex and organisms may not thrive well in other planets long term: consider the symbiosis of digestive bacteria and typical foods.
However, on many occasions Occam's razor has stifled or delayed scientific progress.For example, appeals to simplicity were used to deny the phenomena of meteorites, ball lightning, continental drift, and reverse transcriptase. It originally rejected DNA as the carrier of genetic information in favor of proteins, since proteins provided the simpler explanation. Theories that reach far beyond the available data are rare, but general relativity provides one example.
In hindsight, one can argue that it is simpler to consider DNA as the carrier of genetic information, because it uses a smaller number of building blocks (four nitrogenous bases). However, during the time that proteins were the favored genetic medium, it seemed like a more complex hypothesis to confer genetic information in DNA rather than proteins.
One can also argue (also in hindsight) for atomic building blocks for matter, because it provides a simpler explanation for the observed reversibility of both mixing and chemical reactions as simple separation and re-arrangements of the atomic building blocks. However, at the time, the atomic theory was considered more complex because it inferred the existence of invisible particles which had not been directly detected. Ernst Mach and the logical positivists rejected the atomic theory of John Dalton, until the reality of atoms was more evident in Brownian motion, as explained by Albert Einstein.
In the same way, hindsight argues that postulating the aether is more complex than transmission of light through a vacuum. However, at the time, all known waves propagated through a physical medium, and it seemed simpler to postulate the existence of a medium rather than theorize about wave propagation without a medium. Likewise, Newton's idea of light particles seemed simpler than Young's idea of waves, so many favored it; however in this case, as it turned out, neither the wave- nor the particle-explanation alone suffices, since light behaves like waves as well as like particles (wave–particle duality).
Three axioms presupposed by the scientific method are realism (the existence of objective reality), the existence of observable natural laws, and the constancy of observable natural law. Rather than depend on provability of these axioms, science depends on the fact that they have not been objectively falsified. Occam’s razor and parsimony support, but do not prove these general axioms of science. The general principle of science is that theories (or models) of natural law must be consistent with repeatable experimental observations. This ultimate arbiter (selection criterion) rests upon the axioms mentioned above.
Occam's razor is not an embargo against the positing of any kind of entity, or a recommendation of the simplest theory come what may (note that simplest theory is something like "only I exist" or "nothing exists").
The other things in question are the evidential support for the theory. Therefore, according to the principle, a simpler but less correct theory should not be preferred over a more complex but more correct one. It is this fact which gives the lie to the common misinterpretation of Occam's Razor that "the simplest" one is usually the correct one.
For instance, classical physics is simpler than more recent theories; nonetheless it should not be preferred over them, because it is demonstrably wrong in certain respects.
Occam's razor is used to adjudicate between theories that have already passed 'theoretical scrutiny' tests, and which are equally well-supported by the evidence. Furthermore, it may be used to prioritize empirical testing between two equally plausible but unequally testable hypotheses; thereby minimizing costs and wastes while increasing chances of falsification of the simpler-to-test hypothesis.
Another contentious aspect of the Razor is that a theory can become more complex in terms of its structure (or syntax), while its ontology (or semantics) becomes simpler, or vice versa. The theory of relativity is often given as an example of the proliferation of complex words to describe a simple concept.
Galileo Galilei lampooned the misuse of Occam's Razor in his Dialogue. The principle is represented in the dialogue by Simplicio. The telling point that Galileo presented ironically was that if you really wanted to start from a small number of entities, you could always consider the letters of the alphabet as the fundamental entities, since you could certainly construct the whole of human knowledge out of them.
In philosophy, rationality is the exercise of reason, a key method used to analyze the data gained through systematically conducted observations.
Reason is a mental faculty found in humans, that is able to generate conclusions from assumptions or premises. In other words, it is amongst other things the means by which rational beings propose specific reasons, or explanations of cause and effect. In contrast to reason as an abstract noun, a reason is a consideration which explains or justifies.
Reason is particularly associated with human nature, that which is unique and definitive about being human. As a way of coming to conclusions, it is often contrasted not only with the ways in which non-human animals appear to make decisions, but also with decisions based upon authority, intuition, emotion, mysticism, superstition, and faith. Reason is thought by rationalists to be more reliable in discovering what is true or what is best. The precise way in which reason differs from emotion, faith, and tradition is controversial, because all three are considered to be both potentially rational, and potentially in conflict with reason.
The essential difference between reason and other modes of consciousness is in explanation: thinking is more reasoned or rational if it is more consciously thought through in a way which can be expressed in language.
In modern times, there is an increasing tendency to use the terms "logic" or "logical" as if they were identical with using reason or being "rational", or to see logic as the most pure or the defining form of reason.
Reason and logic can be thought of as distinct, although logic is one important aspect of reason. Reason is a type of thought. The word "logic" involves the attempt to describe rules by which reason operates, so that orderly reasoning can be taught. The oldest surviving writing to explicitly consider the rules by which reason operates are the works of the Greek philosopher Aristotle, especially Prior Analysis and Posterior Analysis. Although the Ancient Greeks had no separate word for logic as distinct from language and reason, Aristotle's newly coined word "syllogism" (syllogismos) identified logic clearly for the first time as a distinct field of study. When Aristotle referred to "the logical" (hē logikē), he was referring more broadly to rational thought.
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Originally posted by obzerv
reply to post by SaturnFX
What makes you so sure that there are such a large number of words out there identical to earth.
I deny it...there goes that theory.
Its undeniable that earth is very unique.
but if we are to examine their motives based on abductees eyewitness accounts it would appear that the Greys are engaged in a breeding plan by which they are creating a human-alien hybrid race. They have many physical and reproductive flaws themselves which threaten their very existence, and they are using hybridization to ensure their future. They seem to want to replace humans with hybrids.
These are clips from the original McPherson tape, of which all the original copies have been destroyed. This was filmed in the 80s.
Originally posted by amari
There are aliens and there are humans from this Earth that want you to think they are aliens.
^Y^edit on 12-10-2010 by amari because: (no reason given)