Ottawa’s media rules muzzling federal scientists, say observers

September 12, 2010

The Harper government has tightened the muzzle on federal scientists, going so far as to control when and what they can say about floods at the end of the last ice age.

Natural Resources Canada scientists were told this spring they need “pre-approval” from Minister Christian Paradis’ office to speak with national and international journalists. Their “media lines” also need ministerial approval, say documents obtained by Postmedia News through access-to-information legislation.

The documents say the “new” rules went into force in March and reveal how they apply to not only to contentious issues including the oilsands, but benign subjects such as floods that occurred 13,000 years ago.

Scott Dallimore, a permafrost specialist with the Geological Survey of Canada, says the permafrost exposure is eroding at 10 to 20 metres a year. So are hundreds of other permafrost ridges and cliffs across Canadaís north.
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Government muzzling climate scientists report

It is not only the United States shutting up scientists, if you remember a few years back a NASA report on Climate Control and Global Warming was ordered changed by the Bush Administration, this is happening all over the World now, what exactly are they hiding from us, makes me think we are doomed and they don't want us to know, more then likely because they cannot do anything about it.

I believe we reached the tipping point sometime in the mid eighties, they saw it coming decades ago and choose to ignore it.

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CBS) This story originally aired on March 19, 2006.
Rewriting The Science
Scientist Says Politicians Edit Global Warming Research

As a government scientist, James Hansen is taking a risk. He says there are things the White House doesn't want you to hear but he's going to say them anyway.

Hansen is arguably the world's leading researcher on global warming. He's the head of NASA's top institute studying the climate. But as correspondent Scott Pelley first reported last spring, this imminent scientist says that the Bush administration is restricting who he can talk to and editing what he can say. Politicians, he says, are rewriting the science.

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Sixty Minutes did a show on this in 2006, the above is some of what happened back then.

canada is always 15-20 years behind america, you guys got rid of bush and canadians just elected bush lite. by the time harper is done legalizing capital punishment for smoking weed america will have legalized marijuana. i bet as soon as america leaves iraq, prime minister harper is going to declare that he is ready to liberate iraq and help america find weapons of mass destruction. if you liked america how it was 20 years ago move to canada.

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Seems to be coming up more and more. Most (if not all) Governments around the world are becoming more and more corupt.
They are trying to wring as many dollars as they can out of the system for themselves, the elite, and the corporations that pull their strings.
When it all turns pear-shaped, the people will slowing awaken to the fact.
What they fail to realise is their servants are the very same people they are screwing over. Revenge is best served cold.

Thanks for posting. The more the internet can be filled with articles/info highlighting the underlying agenda's, the better. People are getting fed up with political parties governing for the corporations instead of Governing FOR the people.

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Very interesting observation, you may be right, I live about 25 miles from Windsor, Ont. used to spend a lot of time in Canada, especially Toronto which is a beautiful city, I will say they are ahead of us in clothing, big European influence, French to be exact.

Thanks for posting.

Starred and flagged and I didn't realize this. I just read this out to my mother and she was shocked, it is a real proof of NWO and police state tactics. She agreed its not LEGAL! Just because a politician is literate enough to draft up a bill doesnt make any legislation legal in any way, and it would have to follow our constitution, but further, the people would have to endorse it perpetually for the constitution doesnt actually define me,it just points out some obvious rights.

So its up to people to overrule it, ignore it, circumvent it, publish mass amounts of "forbidden" information and challenge all NAZI laws in courts over and over until they fire real justice. Its also up to citizens to surround all court houses, by the thousands, all politician's offices and their homes as well with bullhorns and real Alex Jones style and not budge until they step down or correct their ways, kind a hoe down!

Its called taking responsibility!

This is outrageous. This is taking away from our freedom.

Harper is pushing it big time. With only 33 million people, waking up won't take long. We are well over 5 million now.

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You welcome, I couldn't agree more, they can run but can't hide, more and more is coming out all the time, I think that insiders are leaking information all the time, doesn't matter if we know who they are, bless them.

Thank you for posting.

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I would imagine your mother is shocked, never would have seen this article if Graham Hancock hadn't posted on his website, of all places to find it. Thanks Graham.

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More would wake up with small message board/alternative forums news sites, in every large town and every rural area, because most people like to gather info, and the ones don't go on forums would probably like a chance to air their opinions, and also a great way to encourage some real research, people need to research things themselves.

Originally posted by gandhi
This is outrageous. This is taking away from our freedom.

Our freedoms are being taken away little by little not only in the United States and Canada, it's all over the world and as you know there are a huge percentage of countries who have no freedom at all.

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Unity_99 it is our responsibility to inform everyone we know, true most out there do not go on forums or alternative news sites, fact is in America most that go on line still go to the main stream news sites like CNN, Fox, MSNBC, maybe Reuters and AP, since I get about 30 newsletters a day from newspapers all over the world it allows me come across obscure information from time to time.

How can Harper and his religious right gang allow scientists to talk about floods that happened 13,000 years ago when they only believe that the world is about 6,000 years old? There might be a better chance that Harper and his gang would actually consider the reality of - Peter Pan, Wendy and the Lost Boys. Please let this be over fairly soon.

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Looks to me like there's something they don't want us to know, are we getting ready for a major Earth Change and want to avoid panic and migration?

Originally posted by Boomer1941
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Looks to me like there's something they don't want us to know, are we getting ready for a major Earth Change and want to avoid panic and migration?

It certainly sounds like that to me, if that were not the case why would they change reports and hide results from us. If there is going to be a major earth change I am sure there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. Science does say that every twelve to thirteen thousands years there is a major earth change, Noah and the flood may have been just that and nothing to do with religion in my opinion.

By governments trying to hide these things from us it creates more fear and of course our imaginations go wild.

Thank for posting.

Part of the issue with the Harper government is more that they are just trying to limit the amount of information that is allowed to the general public. Access to Information, long form census information, media scrums, control of MPs and Cabinet Ministers ability to talk to the public. When a government needs to dumb down the public, you generally know the is a problem with the way things are being run.

Canada is 15 to 20 years behind the US when it comes to underhanded government crap and corruption, your dreaming! Let me tell you, I live in a little rural town in Ontario with an effective area population of about 15,000 people. The police have an electronic eavesdropping system in place with 16 workstations and 4 servers. These are manned 24/7/365 by 48 people plus 3 admin staff to monitor all telephone, radio and internet communications.

Of course the government is going to muzzle scientists when they don't say what will make them and their buddies money, just look at anthropomorphic global warming. Survey Says! Cap n Trade! Meanwhile on Mars and other planets, cow farts and SUV's are melting the poles or removing the dark cloud bands of Jupiter. It's all just so much BS to further an agenda of greed and avarice. The government is after all just a gang, albeit a more organized gang, but still just a gang. The protection racket they run is to give them the spoils from whatever people they can suppress, tax or intimidate from the general population, while they do their work for their bosses, the tier 3 puppet masters in the Bank of Canada, which is controlled by tier 2 puppet masters from the IMF/world bank.

I have had direct experience with the government suppressing scientific papers, deliberately delaying reports and/or cutting off funding if one doesn't play by the political rules and delay or nullify reports, while they pay off universities millions to do nothing, except of course fleece the taxpayers.

It's a sad stupid world we live in and it needs to be "reset."

Cheers - Dave

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It doesn't seem that there is much difference between the U.S. and Canada, it's important that these kind of threads and what is going on in Canada be put up, it effect both of our countries wouldn't you say Dave???

Thanks for posting.

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Oh yeah, definitely. The only real difference between Canada and the US is that one is run by a corporate and feudal monarchy and the other is run by a corporate feudal oligarchy. Oh, I forgot, Canada isn't a country, it's a colony. I think the US may be an actual country, however, with all the information surfacing on the UK queen's role in things like US Social Ins. Numbers, the transfer of British Properties (past, present and future) to the Vatican and the Treaty of Paris, the US might possibly not be an actual country.

What worries me is the encroaching and overwhelming "cancer" in political systems. We have this "elected" representation that does nothing for those that elected the bastards (if they even did and it's not just an election scam every time). We actually need direct representation, where we can all log into some site on the internet and vote for what these crap politicians are trying to ram down our throats. Every time I see crap like HST, GST, PST, etc. I wonder if that comes with a jar of vasoline because these dogs in "government" aren't going to kiss us before they screw us and you want as smooth a ride as possible since it's gonna hurt.

And then we have the biggest ponzi scheme (read scam) of all, International Banking. The BOC like the FED is wholly controlled by the IMF through IMF "shareholders." Like the FED, the BOC governors are selected from an IMF approved list, if the government wants to chose someone outside the list, they must prepare for economic sanctions or to be placed on a hit list (and I know about hit lists, I'm actually surprised I am still alive). What is actually quite shocking is how much the BOC or FED (if you will) charge us for our own money. The government needs 2 billion, no problem BOC/FED makes the money out of nothing, charges some arbitrary interest rate and transfers the funds by wire to the respective government account. Yehaw, the BOC/FED make money on the cheap eh! What a scam, it's no wonder the world global product is $60 trillion and the world global debt is $585 trillion. I'd like to hear someone try an explain how that's the way it should be and that it isn't unethical, immoral and criminal.

In Canada and the US there are no property rights, in both countries, if you don't pay your taxes (read lease) you don't get to keep your land. Now, what do local property taxes pay for? Schools, roads, big ass politicians salaries? I think that about covers it. Now, let's say you live in the woods, you made your own road and house, you generate your own electricity and have a well for water, you don't vote and you just want to live your life and be left alone. Why do you have to pay property taxes? Your not using anything in the system! Or say your a grandparent, worked all your life, your 65, why the hell should you have to pay school taxes, it's quite possible that two generations of your family line are already paying them.

Oh, and then we have the pension garbage here. A multi-generation Canadian pensioner gets about $1600 a month, but if you're a refuge from another country, you get $2600 per month. WTF is with that? We punish people who helped build the country and reward immigrants and refugees because they wanted a better life (or brought their terrorist relatives with them). This is all upside down! When I watched them (the IMF and UN) make that scumbag terrorist Mandela into a hero in 1990, I knew our time was coming quickly to an end, especially when they gave "IT" a nobel peace prize along with the traitor deKlerk (who worked with the IMF to destroy the country). What have the nobel people done lately, give Obama a peace prize and he hadn't even done anything, he was in office for what, 4 days? They should give me a peace prize, I've killed considerably less than either one of those jerk-offs.

One thing in addition that does concern me is the merger of the US, Canada and Mexico into an EU style supranation. In all cases wages drop to the lowest common denominator of all the countries involved. So if we merge, get ready for third world labour and productivity. I don't have a problem with the people in the US or Mexico and I would welcome the ability to move freely in a supranation, BUT, in order to make the supranation you have to destroy three countries and that will bring marshall law, so there won't be any freedom of movement and you can kiss the constitution goodbye. Plus how could you have freedom of movement with $10 a gallon gas, no job and insurance companies sucking what life you have out of you after the governments done screwing you over with every tax you can think of.

To usher in the change in venue, the zombie-dog Harper signed the SPP and a number of other treaties that destroy our, let's call it alleged, sovereignty. Alleged, because we all know Canada is not a country and the constitution isn't worth the paper it's written on. It's just like our FOIA laws, they aren't worth anything either, example, I did an FOIA request on myself, CSIS came back with 9 statutes indicating that any information about me was a national security risk that could destroy the government's ability to govern, destroy other countries government's credibility (US, UK, France, China/Taiwan, Iraq, South Africa, Canada, etc.) and of course get people killed, probably meaning me while insinuating, them. I can just hear the idiots at CSIS, "Uh, the bullet hole in his head, uh yeah, uh, he slipped on a banana and it uh, left a mark?" Yeah, uh huh, sure (mind you, I am former military, CI overseas, which they don't like much since I worked for those people when Canada didn't like SA much and I know a lot).

Then we have similar false dichotomies in the types of representative government, you in the US have two flavours of fluff (Rep/Dem) and we have three (Lib/PC/NDP). Damn it! They all work for the same people! I think Jesse Ventura said it best (and this isn't an exact quote), "Politics is like wrestling, it's all entertainment. We make a big noise about how we're going to beat the other guy and then we get into the ring and play our parts and put on a great show for the audience. Then it's all over, somebody wins and somebody losses. In the end, we both go to the bar and have a drink with our boss, because he's the one who pays both of us for doing our jobs." Note, it's boss, not bosses.

Another thing both the US and Canadian politicians have done is deliberately destroy our economies through civil attrition. What they have done, is actually promote the transfer of millions of jobs to third world countries taking financial stability away from our own respective countries and giving it to offshore agents/entities. This is treason, as it is a deliberate and premeditated means of destroying society in our countries while elevating others. Then these wanks have the unmitigated gall to say they have to raise taxes after they have put millions of people out of work. But they are still collecting their undeserved paychecks and "golden handshake" retirements packages. Corporations run the governments through the IMF and multinationals, what we have now is basically what Mussolini called "Corporate Fascism."

It's time to kick the tires and light fires, the world is a mess and we have to find the reset button, otherwise society will continue to erode, people will get dumber, there will be more fluoride or lithium in the water along with the other 700 chemicals and heavy metals and you'll all be chipped, categorized and sent to your respective work camps with or without your spouse, family and/or kids.

The past repeats itself, all you have to do is extrapolate the data. Imagine what would have happened if Nazi Germany was as big as the US and had as much technology, surveillance capability and as developed a war machine. Nuff said?

Sorry about the rant, you got me on the right day...LOL

Cheers - Dave

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Today is a good day as any for your rant, in fact everyday would be a good day. When are we in America and Canada going to wake up, not enough to have it out there on the Internet, needs to be in the mainstream which is the most difficult.

Your website is very interesting, still checking it out.

Thank you for posting Dave.