The Two-Party System: Two sides of the same coin

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posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 10:25 PM
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Many people seem to believe whole-heartedly in the false left-right paradigm of American politics, as if the two major political parties are in opposition to each other. In fact, such a notion couldn't be further from the truth and the two major parties are more like one party with two different faces and the same agenda to push forward. They are only but different sides to the same coin, giving the illusion that government is balanced by a major opposition movement. Think about it for a minute... Both major political parties only differ on relatively unimportant issues, while they work in tandem on the interests that contradict our own, generally those that benefit corporate and special interests at the expense of our own interests. They both work together on issues that are extremely important to us, though we don't really get the implications of these issues because there is no opposition to them or the opposition that there is, is effectively suppressed and ignored.

There are fundamental flaws with our current system and these flaws are detrimental to not only our well being, but the well being of our country, our freedom and our way of life. However these flaws will never be addressed, as there is no effective opposition to address them and these flaws happen to benefit the agenda and entities that both parties are in collusion with. While we bicker back and forth about the most unimportant of issues, our system is being raped and in danger of crashing down on us.

Our mind is of three categories: What we know, what we don't know and what we don't know we don't know. Not knowing is unfortunate; not knowing that we don't know is tragic." --W. Erhart

What major accomplishment has either party contributed to the American people? Now, with that in mind, what have they contributed to corporate and special interests? Both major political parties seem to put corporate and special interests far above the interests of the people and these interests almost always contradict each other. In fact, if you do your research, you would see the same lobbies and corporations contribute equally to both major parties and in return, these major parties contribute equally back. The people of this country are merely divided in two, distracted by non-sense and conquered by influences that control it all.

As far as opposition, where was the opposition for the Iraq war? What about the bank bailouts or the Obamacare that really only benefits the insurance industry? How about the Patriot Act, HGTP Act or the plethora of other unconstitutional policies brought forth by those controlling the government? Where was this so-called opposition with 9/11, NAFTA, anthrax, warrantless wiretapping or the other seemingly important issues that go against the interest of the people? Tell me, was this country better off with the Republicans in control, as opposed to the Democrats? What about with the Democrats as opposed to the Republicans? When you look at the issues that are really important to the preservation of liberty and freedom in this country, if you even know what they are, is one party really better than the other and is either party working for you or the American public as a whole?

We are stuck in an endless cycle of Republican versus Democrat and the only things that seem to get done, are the things that benefit the elites and their corporate vessels. The Republicans will be on top for a time, only to have the people become fed up with the direction of government, then the Democrats come in to only do the same thing. The pendulum quickly falls back to the Republicans and so the cycle continues, all the while the only losers are us, the American people. While the people are bickering back and forth about relatively unimportant issues, we are being robbed blind and our Constitutional protections are being subverted and dismantled. While we are being distracted with stupid issues, certain entities and elites are laughing all of the way to the bank (quite literally) and the real issues are being completely ignored.



We get angry with Congress because it seems as if they are doing nothing but it's not that they are doing nothing at all, it's that they are doing nothing for us. Why would they do anything to help us, the American people? It is corporations and special interests that they are pandering to because it is these entities with riches to hand out. They know they have our votes because most people are only going to vote Democrat or Republican and at the end of the day when the American people are worse off than they were before, they simply blame the other party, each one to the other. Their ultimate agenda is the same and sadly, it is not an agenda that will benefit either you or me. It is going to be me and you who are picking up the pieces, asking ourselves how this could have happened and why we didn't see it coming. We didn't see it coming because we had no effective opposition to cry foul at what the two parties, in collusion with each other, were doing for the benefit of their masters.

It matters not to corporate interests which political party is the flavor of government, as they are going to benefit regardless. For instance, a lot of people like to claim that the Democrats are socialist but is it really socialism so much as fascism? Who really benefits from this so-called socialism? Is it a portion of the American people or is it the corporate entities providing the service? I can guarantee that if it doesn't benefit a corporation or special interest entity, it is not going to be passed through congress and often enough, it won't even be considered. At the end of the day, it is corporate interests that benefit from all policies being established and sadly, we often don't see it as their is no viable opposition to cry foul or point out fundamental flaws that will benefit one side (corporate interests), at the peril of the other (American freedom and preservation, as well as personal liberty).

Make no mistake about it, both political parties are working for the same interests and whether you believe it or not, your interests aren't included in those being considered. In fact, your interests are almost always contradicted but again, nobody is hollering foul because there is no viable opposition. We think there is opposition because we believe the two parties to be in opposition, therefore when nobody hollers foul, we think all is okay.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

You see, when a government has no opposition movement, it is susceptible to corruption and tyranny will always prevail. This is why most authoritarian governments stamp out their opposition. Here in America, we too lack an opposition, even though many of us falsely believe that we have such a luxury, due to the cosmetic issues we are distracted with. Any real opposition is kept silent and subdued through both the media and the various election laws that are designed to do just that. The media gives almost zero attention to any other movement besides the two major political parties and if they are mentioned at all, it is generally to spin their message into something that it isn't. We are basically being steered to one party or the other and at the end of the day, neither of the two parties are much different than the other, at least with anything that really matters and neither party hold our interest or that of the preservation of our Republic.

Another draw-back (or convenience, depending on how you look at it) to this two-party system is that it gives an "easy out" when someone does cry foul. When corruption is exposed, it is far too easy for those being called out to blame partisanship for the exposure, often allowing this corruption to go undisturbed. In this way, the two-party system actually does the opposite of what an opposition movement is supposed to do. It is extremely convenient to TPTB and the single agenda of the two major political parties. For instance, if a whistle blower toots his horn for whatever reason, it is easily dismissed as having some partisan motive. It always allows a counter-accusation to be made, thus drawing blame away from those with their hands in the cookie jar. Remember the Niger yellow cakes, leading up the Iraq war?



So basically, unless we expose the two parties for what they are, one big party with two different faces, we will continue to lack the absolute necessity of an opposition and this country will continue to go down the tubes without any kind of resistance and without the American people even realizing that there are fundamental flaws with how things are. Sadly, when the music stops, it is only going to be us without a chair. We need to look past this bickering around small but emotional issues and focus on the real issues that threaten our very way of life. After all, these small and emotional issues are designed to distract us, so that certain people and entities can make off with the loot. It's like someone robbing our home, but we stop to argue about the color of the rug, instead of stopping the thievery taking place before our very eyes.



--airspoon


Just to note, I started another thread earlier today that points directly at this truism, titled "In address on Iraq war, Obama pays tribute to ‘patriot’ George W. Bush". I though it relevant to the subject at hand.

[edit on 1-9-2010 by airspoon]




posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 11:32 PM
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Great Thread,

It certain does appear that way now, doesn't it? It seems
policy never changes for the most part, and when someone
decides to upset the apple cart, a stalemate ensues.
It is particular shameful that the middle class has been
ripped apart by the decisions of this "Two Party Crew".
The level of lobbying and Bribery is Criminal.
I have never been so troubled about the future of our
beloved United States of America as I am now.
Pray for a miracle.

By the way, your thread is well written, but I must say
that the Joker faces are somewhat disturbing. I respect
your freedom of expression though.
Salutations



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 12:23 AM
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Here's some proof for New Zealand www.sec.gov...

NZ 'govt' treasury address listed on security exchange commision website as 'HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN IN RIGHT OF NEW ZEALAND' aka a corporation, for profit. Just like the rest of the govt..



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 12:39 AM
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Thanks for the great thread. I completely agree with you. I actually just posted a short message in another thread basically saying the same thing, but not as fleshed out or as eloquent as you.

Our system may not have been designed as well as we were all told growing up. Where was it subverted? Was it subverted? My first inclination is that after Jefferson's presidency, corporate and banking interests took over, but when really looking into it, even for all Jefferson's individualism and Washington's revolutionism, they were in fact both of the elite of society. They merely decided there was no need to make hay for the King in a land across the ocean. They didn't really do much for the common individual. Of course, even they could not have foreseen the technological impact upon the common man, and the resulting servitude of everyday life. People of that period complained about paying some small taxes. What other intrusions were there from the government? Little to none, though certainly the government did nothing to help those it governed either.

So, rather, this misappropriation of liberty grew. It grew from elitism and the infancy of corporatism that bound itself to war and expansion and has yet to look back. It even grew the party system that was more controlling than a King ever could be, because the people forgot they were controlled.

That's not to say there aren't relevant functions of a commonality of people. There are. But, this isn't that.

Pax Americana - the Devious Subterfuge of our Nation



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 12:46 AM
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"A republic if you can keep it" - Ben Franklin.
I guess things could always go either way...
Either what was made then is preserved and maintained by hard work...
or it isn't.

Too bad if it isn't.



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 12:56 AM
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On the contrary my friend, on the contrary. It is not the system at fault, rather it's the people not holding true to their responsibility. In order for the system to work, it has to be abided by and our problem is that it was not adhered to. Our founding fathers warned us time and time again, how tyranny would show it's ugly face and they even did all of the dirty work to give us a guideline of what we needed to do, yet we failed. It is us who failed, not them.

Tyranny is always an outside pressure, like the water to a dam. Unless the integrity of the damn is upheld at every square inch, the water will find a way in and crash the entire system. In fact, not only were we given a guideline (the Constitution), but we were warned how tyranny would pry at our system. It was basically pointed out for us in terms that even a child could comprehend, yet we ignored their warnings. We didn't even have to understand, as it was only required that we follow it.

I would even go so far as to not blame the influences that have infested our government with corruption because just like the water to the dam, tyranny is always trying to force its way in. Do we blame the river for a busted dam that had fallen into disrepair or do we blame the people who neglected it, thus allowing it to fall into disrepair?



--airspoon

[edit on 2-9-2010 by airspoon]



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 01:12 AM
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Great post Airspoon! S&F for you!
It's a fatal mistake that many people make about the so-called two-party is that they get caught up in all the little differences just like the TPB wants them to.The saddest thing to me is that many of the people who are trapped in the left/right game are people who sholud know better.



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 01:37 AM
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Governments will always want to centralize power and chip away at peoples rights, no matter what political system is in place this will occur and it is always left to the people to make sure it doesn't happen. The sad fact is that this is not happening, and an even more troublesome fact is that many people are willingly handing their freedoms over to the government, many different reasons but the root cause of all of them is fear... or even worse simple apathy. Over here in the UK i sometimes think even the government are having a hard time keeping up with how much freedoms the public are willing to give to them on a silver platter, people are actually under this strange delusion that the government is there to help and that they know what is best, the British public do not believe in individual liberty anymore... it really is like living in a mad house.


[edit on 2-9-2010 by Solomons]



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 03:12 AM
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RIGHTWING/LEFTWING are two wings of the same damn bird with one head .There has never been a to party system and your vote goes in the bin .



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 07:41 AM
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Mostly they are, except now the corporatists on the elephant side have invited in and are losing control to the Christian fascists. As a secular independent, the scariest people in the world are not Muslims, but rather my cultist neighbors deluded and arrogant enough to say, "I am not religious, but I do know the Truth." The radical Muslim sleeps on a woven mat half a world away eating with his hands by candlelight. The Christian zealot sleeps next door, has cohorts at high levels in our military, the corridors of elected power and on the courts. Both plan their world domination with just as much righteousness, but only one side is not even aware that is what it is doing becuase it is under the delusion that we are a Christian nation already.



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 07:45 AM
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Originally posted by 13th Zodiac
RIGHTWING/LEFTWING are two wings of the same damn bird with one head .There has never been a to party system and your vote goes in the bin .


You couldn't have said it any better.

invisiblepatriots.com...



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 07:48 AM
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I suppose the true challenge then is how do we remove the incentives for Congress to act in the interests of those other than the people?

Our current conflict of interest rules are not stringent enough and should extend perhaps for a period of 20 years or so after leaving office. So if you pass legislation that benefits Industry X, you cannot work for them or own shares in said industry.

Perhaps set a top pay scale for Congress and allow the people to decide on a yearly basis how much they will be paid. If the people aren't happy with you, you don't get squat.

Remove all lobbyists from Washington.

End the Congressional retirement perks (lifetime pay and medical care)

The dilemma we face is also a reflection of the values of our society. We have put wealth on a pedestal that the majority still bow to. We have also tolerated unethical behaviors to achieve that status. It seems as long as no one is physically injured it doesn't matter how much we lie or cheat, as long as we "win the game".

I'm afraid that until the whole party comes crashing down into a full-blown economic depression those values will still hold. Talk to anyone who was raised during the great depression - their values are almost universally those of thrift, hard work , saving and sacrifice. How many young people today believe the same? You see the danger ahead then.

Until the latest generations learn those same lessons we will continue on as we have. Maybe that's just how the world works - so be it.

IMO things must get much worse before they will have the chance to get better.

End the FED!

Good thread. A well-trodden subject but immensely important all the same.


[edit on 2-9-2010 by Asktheanimals]



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 07:53 AM
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I really like this thread. I haven't taken the time to read the OP, but it brings a smile to my face that someone has made this thread to remind us that the left and right divide is pointless.

I'm sure there are many on ATS that would a more capable leader for their government than the ones in power now.

I think that there needs to be temporary anarchy in the US. You guys really need to bring the government back to the people.



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 08:06 AM
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They've been the same since the Civil war. After that... it's like the futurama cartoon presidential debate:

Cspan9



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 08:10 AM
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You nailed it airspoon, the federal government is a two headed monster with one controlling body who gets their orders from the CFR run by Soros, Kissenger, and the rest of the globalist reptilian satanic elite.




posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 08:31 AM
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It on;y gets this bad around transitional ties. America is set up to periodically fall so as to clean up the baddies and start over. This happens roughly every 50 years. We're a bit overdue but so far so good on schedule. I say let the system do what it was designed to do. Destroy the people who frequently try to take it over and fail every time. one would think they would learn, what with it being, like, the 5th tie around.



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 08:42 AM
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i could not have put it in any better words as this corrupt infastucture that we call our political system has lied- segregated- split-divided and any other means possible to keep this 2 horn 1 head system alive!

star and flag for you!



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 09:04 AM
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The Bipartisan System = Classic Hegelianism



This bipartisan, two party system where no one else is welcome or allowed, exemplifies Classic Hegelianism. A system of control where the controlling party, the ruling or Hegelian party, controls both subordinate, opposing parties, aka the Republicans and Democrats.

What happened to our Constitutional Republic is that those in control, and members of the Ruling Secret Societies which originated in Germany. Namely the Skull & Bones.....


Imported the Prussian Education system into the United States in the 19th Century.an educational system based on a statist-Hegelian philosophy, and which has already achieved the "dumbing down"of America. This disastrous, destructive philosophy, the source of both Naziism and Marxism, has infected and corrupted our constitutional republic.



Hegelianism glorifies the State, the vehicle for the dissemination of statist and materialist ideas and policies in education, science, politics and economics. Wonder why we have a "dumbed-down" society? Look no further than the Bonesman troika who imported the Prussian education system into the U.S. in the 19th Century. A political philosophy in direct opposition to the classical liberalism nurtured in 19th Century British and American history. In classical liberalism, the State is always subordinate to the individual. In Hegelian Statism, as we see in Naziism and Marxism, the State is supreme, and the individual exists only to serve the State. Our two-party Republican-Democrat (= one Hegelian party )




The Source and the Book:
Antony Sutton: America's Secret Establishment an Introduction to Skull and Bones.



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 09:07 AM
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I think its high time that someone cut this damn chimera's head off. The problem is that this society is so immersed in pointless crap on tv and buying into this whole 9-5 work system that everyone turns a blind eye to ANY fishy busy. They would MUCH rather sit at home on their lazy boy, eating chips, drinking soda and watching dancing with the stars then actually try and learn the truth about the world around them. Its very disgusting to me and I hope we see some REAL change soon and not just two heads of the same ugly beast sqwaking at us with intelligible rehtoric about how they and their "party" will "fix" america and her problems. Give me a break!



posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 09:10 AM
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Are any of us truly surprised by any of this stated in the OP?

I am currently in crisis mode when it comes to politics, what I once thought was best is now proving itself as horrible, the ones I once trusted are now becoming sellouts and I see my country crumbling around me. With both sides arguing their point across it is hard to see which one is truly correct.

I see very little difference between any of the presidents since Ronald Reagan. All supporting Neoconservative ideals of globalization, internationalism, pre-emptive war, disregard for constitution, elitism and cultural liberalism.

They have little difference between them but still can't come together on anything! It is all a power struggle with absolute disregard for us Americans.

So what can we do? Well... many of things.

1. Elimination of civil servant pension
2. End collaboration between big business, big labor and big government.
3. Send all illegal immigrants back home and set immigration limits from non-western countries.
4. Stop all forms of affirmative action.
5. Stop with so called 'progress'.
6. Stop judges from enforcing elitist views upon the public.
7. Return to focusing on the family and family values, teach morals in schools.
8. Establish a tariff that would make up the difference in labor costs.
9. Stop Consumerism, corporatism and elitism immediately by ending the catering to big business and punish Wall Street.
10. Let the people choose in state referendums on any more 'progressive' issues such as abortion, gay marriage, gays in military, etc...

We need to stop worrying about 'politically correct' which was created by the elite to make ordinary Americans feel like what they are thinking is wrong. This lets them keep control over all issues, stop with that crap. Let us talk about the role of men and women in society, let us talk about race, let us talk about immigration, let us talk about religion, let us talk about everything without feeling guilty.

[edit on 9/2/2010 by Misoir]





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