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Has climate skeptics’ favorite Danish statistician, Bjørn Lomborg, changed his stance? In the forthcoming book edited by Lomborg, Smart Solutions to Climate Change, he calls climate change one of the world’s “chief concerns” and suggests investing $100 billion annually on climate change solutions.
The suggestion certainly comes as a surprise...
Originally posted by NoHierarchy
2. Within just a century humans have increased Earth's atmospheric CO2 concentrations from 280ppm to 390ppm
Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by clay2 baraka
...or maybe the IPCC made a better offer?
There is money at stake on both sides of the issue. To decry one and ignore the other is hypocrisy at its most blatant.
TheRedneck
Originally posted by NoHierarchy
It's time to shove the fossil fuel industry to the side and even bully and neglect it in favor of a better future for humanity and the planet. Of course this will be difficult as the fossil fuel industry is the wealthiest industry ever to exist on the planet... but where there's a mass will there is an undeniable way.
Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by NoHierarchy
Sure thing... as soon as you prove they were being paid to make false claims before. You started the thread after all.
While we're at it, how about proving this line as well:
Originally posted by NoHierarchy
It's time to shove the fossil fuel industry to the side and even bully and neglect it in favor of a better future for humanity and the planet. Of course this will be difficult as the fossil fuel industry is the wealthiest industry ever to exist on the planet... but where there's a mass will there is an undeniable way.
I am still waiting for this Utopian mystery power source to replace oil to appear.
TheRedneck
Environmental Law Institute*, Washington DC
Polar ice caps are melting, corals in tropical seas are dying, mountain species are being forced to retreat to higher elevations, and low-lying communities are being washed away by storms and floods. Global scientific consensus confirms that we are experiencing climate change, human actions are driving that change, and ecosystems and human society must adapt to these alterations. Although questions remain about the timing, location, and severity of the impacts, legal, institutional, and policy responses to climate change need to be crafted and implemented now.
1. CO2 is undeniably a greenhouse gas that, if removed from our atmosphere, would reduce global temperatures by 60 degrees Fahrenheit
2. Within just a century humans have increased Earth's atmospheric CO2 concentrations from 280ppm to 390ppm
Now, about that non-fossil-fuel energy source... I think you forgot to mention exactly what it was that would supply our energy once the evil oil companies were out of the picture...
Originally posted by burdman30ott6
Hmmm...
A previous skeptic (sort of) softening his skepticism on one hand...
reams of data and admissions that the IPCC seriously breached ethics and openly lied and fabricated data to "prove" Anthropogenic global warming on the other...
Wow, this is like going all-in on Texas Hold 'em with a pair of 3s and a 9 high card. The Anthropogenic crowd CAN NOT win this argument anymore. Their holy grail was exposed as a fraud. The IPCC has no credibility anymore, Al Gore has no credibility anymore (aside from his newfound credibility as a harassing horndog), and all but the most vocal climate change nazis have basically shut their mouths about it.
Oh, and based on this:
1. CO2 is undeniably a greenhouse gas that, if removed from our atmosphere, would reduce global temperatures by 60 degrees Fahrenheit
2. Within just a century humans have increased Earth's atmospheric CO2 concentrations from 280ppm to 390ppm
I gotta scratch my head. If the Earth would cool by 60 degrees if CO2 was fully eliminated, and (huge assumption) mankind has raised CO2 levels from 280ppm to 390ppm in the past 100 years, that means that a removal of 390ppm of CO2 would equal a 60 degree F temperature decrease. 6.5ppm per degree... follow me here, that would mean that 100 years ago Earth was 16.92 degrees cooler than it is today!?!?! Seriously? I don't recall my Great grandparents being Eskimos in the South East USA, but maybe I misunderstood the stories I heard from them as a child.
Scientists are beginning to document that we may have changed the atmosphere so much that regional and global climate changes will be enhanced. The existence of climate change resulting from the greenhouse effect isn't questioned: the earth would be about 60 degrees cooler and would not be a suitable home for us if it did not exist. First proposed by the French scientist Fourier in 1824, the term refers simply to the capacity of certain gases to allow shortwave solar radiation to reach the earth's surface but then absorb and trap this same energy as the earth radiates it back as longwave energy. This trapped radiation increases the air's temperature. Water vapor is responsible for most of this warming, but carbon dioxide (CO2) also plays an important role in warming the earth's atmosphere.
Water vapor, CO2, CH4, N2O, and SO2 all have an important property: they absorb heat emitted by the earth and thus warm the atmosphere, creating what we call the "greenhouse effect." Without these so-called greenhouse gases, the surface of the earth would be about 30 degrees Celsius cooler - too cold for life to exist as we know it.
In fact, without an atmosphere, the surface of the earth would be about 30 degrees Celsius cooler than it is now!
Chris Horner, a senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, said NASA has refused for two years to provide information under the Freedom of Information Act that would show how the agency has shaped its climate data and would explain why the agency has repeatedly had to correct its data going as far back as the 1930s.
The numbers matter. Under pressure in 2007, NASA recalculated its data and found that 1934, not 1998, was the hottest year in its records for the contiguous 48 states. NASA later changed that data again, and now 1998 and 2006 are tied for first, with 1934 slightly cooler.
This morning in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, the Competitive Enterprise Institute is filing suit against NASA, calling the erstwhile space agency to account for its nearly three-year stonewall of access to internal documents exposing an abuse of taxpayer funds to advance the global warming agenda.
The country’s state-owned weather and atmospheric research body is being taken to court in a challenge over the accuracy of its data used to calculate global warming. The New Zealand Climate Science Coalition said it had lodged papers with the High Court asking the court to invalidate the official temperatures record of the National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research (Niwa).