8.28.10 - Celebrate the Dream, Reject the Nightmare

I'm all for Martin Luther King. Jr..... about Glenn Beck.....I have no comment for the guy.

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Originally posted by tspark

Originally posted by OneNationUnder
OMG, sad, sad individual you are. It's not about the day, it's about the message on that day.

Instead of spewing hate, try to gather some people in a positive way, like Beck or MLK.

It always amazes me when people are scared they turn to tactics like this.

You need to start looking for the good in people, because all I'm seeing is you seeing bad. And that's the real shame here.

Either way, you're sleeping so hopefully you will awaken soon. Good luck with that.

Yes this is true

you're claiming to be enlightened but calling someone else sad for trying to expose frauds & shills for the people out there that care about that sort of thing i.e. people who care about not being duped.

If u feel a positive focus means enlightenment or a higher state of awareness then all the best to you & I hope you survive to strive another day. But for the record I think you're twisted in the head.

-B.M

Originally posted by whatukno
Because just like Glenn Back, John Stewart is an entertainer and not a news man.

But unlike Glenn Beck, the fans of John Stewart understand that it's a comedy show and to not take it too seriously.

Fans of Glenn Beck tend to take everything Beck says as gospel.

Ah yep, said it better than I could. Glenn Beck is out to make a buck and Im sure he laughs each and every time to his own loyal followers for believing the things he says. He has a script, he works with it, he lives the american dream the money earned in following that script.

John steward fans comparable to Glenn Beck followers? Apples and oranges.

Wow guys, I keep forgetting the population of ATS is just like everyone else I know. I'm disappointed, and disappointed at my expectations of something different regardless of how much I've read.

Do you all want to know what causes this hate? Let's say you take a person someone respects and believes speaks the truth. You think your beliefs are right, of course. Although,instead of laying facts down as to why what their speaker says is false, you call this person the dirtiest names you can think of, insult their intelligence, claim they're beneath you, and then WONDER WHY they are so angry.

Now this doesn't come from just the Glen Beck haters on here, this goes to all of you. As a 18 year old, I never had a hand in creating what state this country is in, and all you can do is bicker about who's kinda right, or sorta wrong, while it crumbles! Am I the only one who sees how ironic this is? You're arguing against hate while using hate, which creates more hate that fuels the downfall of this country.

Please, someone help before I completely give up all hope in the supposedly older more mature people I'm meant to look up to.

-Will

reply to post by tallcool1


I believe, the great event was intended to be the proposed example of Beck referring to himself as the messiah, or something. It happened, as was expected.

As for the weather, I dunno. I "thank god" I suppose when the weathers nice and the mood suits, but it could be seen as offensive to some I guess. Public figure, open embracing of a particular God/Faith. Lots of viewers.

Then again, he is on Faux.

Glenn Beck is a far greater man than Martin Luther King was. King is a phony hero and a disgrace to black folks IMHO.

How could I make such an "outrageous" statement? Simple, I choose not to believe the useless propaganda and lies promulgated by the left and instead I look at his christian walk.

www.freerepublic.com...

Basically he was an adulterer, had close ties to communists, plagarized his thesis and plagarized his "I have a dream speech". This man, much like our current president, was a disaster for any who followed him.

Now following in his footsteps the democratic party has coopted black people and put them back on the plantation. They are enslaved to his principles and most blacks grow up without a father and most are convinced that socialism will pull them out of poverty, when the exact opposite is true.

Thank God for Glenn Beck who is finally telling it like it is. Frankly I ignore all things related to King, since he represents evil to me.

Glen Beck is an easy target. Its too easy. I have kids who have just started school who could rip Glen Beck. People here are giving out about Beck and they are not even going to be at the event? If this is the case why are you letting it effect your life. Its can be as simple as turning off a programme on the telly if you don't like it. If you really hate beck why are you wasting time giving out about him. Do you realise how immature this is.

I have to applaud the man for trying. He is injecting a good bit of God into the day as well. I have more or less left religion out of my life now but I still have to appluad him for trying. I have seen a lot of the people turning up for this event. They look like good people to me.

The religion I was raised with is no longer a part of my life. The bible too is not part of it. This doesn't mean I roll it up and put it in the bin. I do take some of the good from it.

Anyway, I often wondered if there was one way you could control a huge number of poeple from finiding the truth how could you do it. How could you do it maybe with one line. How could silence even the good people? Is there any genuis line that could silence the people. Try this one;

'Let he without sin cast the first stone.'

I think this is one of the cleverest lines ever written. Glen Beck anit no saint. We all know that. He is very easy to criticize. We all know that. He is giving it a go. I appluad him.

I certainly ain't no saint. Are you?

The country is going down the toilet.

Why don't you tell me what you are doing to fix it.

I ain't gonna knock a man for trying. Best of luck today Glen!



I'll roll away my stone, now you roll away yours.

6 pages of Argumentum Ad Hominem, and not of the fallacy type.

Never does the attack on the argument happen, only on the person.

I have seen it with every attack on Conservatives and Libertarians.

Look at the attacks on Ron Paul.

Oh he is crazy. Oh he is an old fool. Oh he is in la la land.

But with Beck, it comes to a WHOLE new level.

Usually REALLY listen close to those that the MSM attack, they are the ones you want to listen to.

Hell, even the Neo Cons are attacking the True Conservatives and Libertarians.

Oh well, to those out there that still have an open mind not filled with hate filled propaganda, open your mind. Do you want to live in servitude and get your soylent green, or do you want to be free.

As one movie coming up puts it better than I could, Runaway Slave. Dang, another racist!

I am intrigued by the hold this guy Beck has on people. Having just heard about Beck's rally and read a little about it, I am curious to know what it is about him that makes people connect to him. Some commentators suggest he is the American 'everyman'. Do posters in this thread hold that view?

Originally posted by Basilis
Wow guys, I keep forgetting the population of ATS is just like everyone else I know. I'm disappointed, and disappointed at my expectations of something different regardless of how much I've read.

Do you all want to know what causes this hate? Let's say you take a person someone respects and believes speaks the truth. You think your beliefs are right, of course. Although,instead of laying facts down as to why what their speaker says is false, you call this person the dirtiest names you can think of, insult their intelligence, claim they're beneath you, and then WONDER WHY they are so angry.

Now this doesn't come from just the Glen Beck haters on here, this goes to all of you. As a 18 year old, I never had a hand in creating what state this country is in, and all you can do is bicker about who's kinda right, or sorta wrong, while it crumbles! Am I the only one who sees how ironic this is? You're arguing against hate while using hate, which creates more hate that fuels the downfall of this country.

Please, someone help before I completely give up all hope in the supposedly older more mature people I'm meant to look up to.

-Will

Excuse me, I'm not using hate. I'm using logic. I'm using logic on that this man is destructive for this country. It's not that hard to see how this "entertainer," along with his pasty Palin, are going to try to ruin this country.

I'm sorry, Will, but if you're expecting people to be happy with this, then you're looking at it the wrong way.

reply to post by LarryLove


Beck appeals to the lowest common denominator. He is an entertainer nothing more, however his die hard fans take every word this man speaks as absolute truth.

The problem is, as I said before, he appeals to the lowest common denominator and he plays on it. He takes people's fears and then he exacerbates them to the point of absurdity.

When people buy into it as if he is telling facts, it creates a mass amount of hysteria and more misinformation than people should rightly accept.

He of course is protected by the 1st Amendment and so he can spout off this nonsense on air as long as those that pay him let him. So he runs his scams like this rally conveniently held on the same day as MLK's famous speech in the same place as MLK's famous speech and he tried to play it off as a coincidence.

reply to post by whatukno


What really amazes me is how people believe in what he says. Yes, I know he states he is a commentator with no political aspirations, but after watching a number of his performances on Youtube, I am left certain the guy has mental health issues. There is nothing genuine about him and I find it hard to understand the support he gets.

The UK has some bad tv personalities, but this guy is unreal. I really hope he fades away into the ether as quickly as possible because his rhetoric is dangerous for America.

reply to post by Mak Manto


Excuse you? I don't recall ever referring to you specifically in my post. It was more aimed towards the people doing, you know, what I said. And if you weren't doing what I said, then what's the problem?

If your logic as you call it comes down to screaming that Glen Beck is a [insert offensive names], and the people who listen to him are [insert offensive names], then I don't particularly believe I like your logic.

I'm just tired of everyone acting ignorant. I don't like Glen Beck, but my dad listens to him all the time, but you don't see me running up to him and screaming insults at him because that's not how you change people's views. Partisanship along with raging about things like this that don't matter is what is destroying this country, not whatever political figure you decide to toss the blame onto.

It's the citizens fault it's gotten this bad.

-Will

Originally posted by Basilis
reply to post by Mak Manto

 

Excuse you? I don't recall ever referring to you specifically in my post. It was more aimed towards the people doing, you know, what I said. And if you weren't doing what I said, then what's the problem?

If your logic as you call it comes down to screaming that Glen Beck is a [insert offensive names], and the people who listen to him are [insert offensive names], then I don't particularly believe I like your logic.

I'm just tired of everyone acting ignorant. I don't like Glen Beck, but my dad listens to him all the time, but you don't see me running up to him and screaming insults at him because that's not how you change people's views. Partisanship along with raging about things like this that don't matter is what is destroying this country, not whatever political figure you decide to toss the blame onto.

It's the citizens fault it's gotten this bad.

-Will

Partisanship is for people who want to get along and do better for the country. Tell your dad to stop listening to Glenn Beck because Beck only cares about the rights and dreams of certain Americans.

He will go against the rights of Muslims. He will go against the rights of homosexuals. He will go against the rights of any group he doesn't feel is okay with him.

Originally posted by Mak Manto
Excuse me, I'm not using hate. I'm using logic. I'm using logic on that this man is destructive for this country. It's not that hard to see how this "entertainer," along with his pasty Palin, are going to try to ruin this country.

I'm sorry, Will, but if you're expecting people to be happy with this, then you're looking at it the wrong way.

I submit to you that people such as yourself are FAR more "destructive for this country" than the likes of Glenn Beck.

Those who irrationally rail against figures just because they are on the other side of the political fence, those who try to demolish individuals on the strength of personal attack alone, those who don't even make a pretense of attempting to make a logical argument with independent 'facts', only toeing the party line and following the lead in attempts at character assassination against the likes of Beck, Obama, Palin, Biden... just pick a figure, ANY figure.

THOSE people are FAR more destructive to the country than ANY figure, political or religious, because they are the "true believers", and feel no need to make cogent points concerning objective faux pas perpetrated by the figure they attack. Instead, they go straight for attempted character assassination based on the what is said by someone else, presentation of facts to based their opinions on (and sway the opinions of others) be damned. You can always tell those folks, because they march in lock step, spout the same talking points, never come up with thoughts of their own.

All they have boils down to saying this person or that person is "bad because they are bad!", never able to deliver any sort of rationale for that.

Those folks are way more dangerous to the nation than the likes of Beck or Obama, because after all, what strength has a leader without any followers?

Originally posted by Mak Manto

Partisanship is for people who want to get along and do better for the country. Tell your dad to stop listening to Glenn Beck because Beck only cares about the rights and dreams of certain Americans.

No, partisanship is for people who long to see the nation divided along party lines. That's sort of the whole point of 'partisanship'.

He will go against the rights of Muslims. He will go against the rights of homosexuals. He will go against the rights of any group he doesn't feel is okay with him.

Well now, you may be on to something there! Examples, please. Presenting facts on which to base your opinions may well be enough to sway me!

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by Mak Manto
Excuse me, I'm not using hate. I'm using logic. I'm using logic on that this man is destructive for this country. It's not that hard to see how this "entertainer," along with his pasty Palin, are going to try to ruin this country.

I'm sorry, Will, but if you're expecting people to be happy with this, then you're looking at it the wrong way.

I submit to you that people such as yourself are FAR more "destructive for this country" than the likes of Glenn Beck.

Those who irrationally rail against figures just because they are on the other side of the political fence, those who try to demolish individuals on the strength of personal attack alone, those who don't even make a pretense of attempting to make a logical argument with independent 'facts', only toeing the party line and following the lead in attempts at character assassination against the likes of Beck, Obama, Palin, Biden... just pick a figure, ANY figure.

THOSE people are FAR more destructive to the country than ANY figure, political or religious, because they are the "true believers", and feel no need to make cogent points concerning objective faux pas perpetrated by the figure they attack. Instead, they go straight for attempted character assassination based on the what is said by someone else, presentation of facts to based their opinions on (and sway the opinions of others) be damned. You can always tell those folks, because they march in lock step, spout the same talking points, never come up with thoughts of their own.

All they have boils down to saying this person or that person is "bad because they are bad!", never able to deliver any sort of rationale for that.

Those folks are way more dangerous to the nation than the likes of Beck or Obama, because after all, what strength has a leader without any followers?

Quite wrong, though, because I didn't say that he was bad "because he's bad."

I said he's bad for his attacks on innocent Muslims, on LGBT rights, on civil rights for Americans that he wants to overlook.

Originally posted by eNumbra

Originally posted by DocEmrick
but comparing him to Glenn Beck is like comparing a Lexus to a Kia.

[edit on 27-8-2010 by DocEmrick]

I believe that's exactly the point being made.

Beck plays some big American hero fighting for the people when history teaches us that he's simply a jester.

And so King is was what them.....a complicated philanderer? A noble philanderer?

No, partisanship is for people who long to see the nation divided along party lines. That's sort of the whole point of 'partisanship'.

I'm talking about real partisanship. Yes, the partisanship you reference is towards political divisions within the country's parties.

But constitutional rights, something Glenn Beck goes on about, is not something you can fight against. Partisanship, in this case, is towards bettering it for all Americans.

Well now, you may be on to something there! Examples, please. Presenting facts on which to base your opinions may well be enough to sway me!

Well, for starters, how about the recent mosque issue? Glenn Beck says he believes wholeheartedly in the Constitution, and freedom of religion is guaranteed.

Or how about when he had Keith Ellison on, the first Muslim to ever be elected to Congress, and he said to Congressman Ellison:

"'Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies.' And I know you're not. I'm not accusing you of being an enemy, but that's the way I feel."

Originally posted by Logarock

Originally posted by eNumbra

Originally posted by DocEmrick
but comparing him to Glenn Beck is like comparing a Lexus to a Kia.

[edit on 27-8-2010 by DocEmrick]

I believe that's exactly the point being made.

Beck plays some big American hero fighting for the people when history teaches us that he's simply a jester.

And so King is was what them.....a complicated philanderer? A noble philanderer?

You can think whatever you want of what King was, but Glenn Beck has stated he's nothing more then an entertainer, a rodeo clown.

He's stated that, himself, so he shouldn't be taken seriously.