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Galileo was an antagonist, meaning he was not content with just publishing a theory but had to take it a step further by pointing out that the Church was wrong.
You know that Galileo was tried and convicted for supporting a heliocentric solar system, right?
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by Phage
Galileo was an antagonist, meaning he was not content with just publishing a theory but had to take it a step further by pointing out that the Church was wrong.
You know that Galileo was tried and convicted for supporting a heliocentric solar system, right?
[edit on 18-8-2010 by jmdewey60]
Why would the perfect center of the universe wobble, causing that perfect universe to move around in the sky?
en.wikipedia.org...
This motion, which is caused mostly by the Moon's gravity, gives rise to the precession of the equinoxes. . .
When you watch a science show on TV, they word things in such a way that makes you think that all of a sudden it was a simpler thing to describe the planetary motions using the heliocentric system. In fact the calculations are more complex and a new model had to be made using elliptical orbits.Tycho Brahe did not adopt the Copernican system and created a modified version of the Egyptian system. They believed that the planets Mercury and Venus were basically moons of the sun, which circled the earth.
Maybe you should explain why Kepler's laws and Newtonian physics are inadequate instead of just stating that they are. It turns out that their predictions are just as good as Ptolemy's. Better in fact.
I am not an astronomer or physicist so I do not understand it enough to be able to adequately explain it. Here is an example:
Maybe you should explain why Kepler's laws and Newtonian physics are inadequate instead of just stating that they are.
en.wikipedia.org...'s_law_of_universal_gravitation#Observations_conflicting_with_Newton.27s_theory
Newton's Theory does not fully explain the precession of the perihelion of the orbits of the planets, especially of planet Mercury, which was detected long after the life of Newton.
Science may be the new religion.
"Official truth". Yes, very important to ignore science because it represents the "official truth".
Galileo was an antagonist, meaning he was not content with just publishing a theory but had to take it a step further by pointing out that the Church was wrong.
We say, pronounce, sentence, and declare that you, the said Galileo, by reason of the matters adduced in trial, and by you confessed as above, have rendered yourself in the judgment of this Holy Office vehemently suspected of heresy, namely, of having believed and held the doctrine—which is false and contrary to the sacred and divine Scriptures—that the Sun is the center of the world and does not move from east to west and that the Earth moves and is not the center of the world; and that an opinion may be held and defended as probably after it has been declared and defined to be contrary to the Holy Scripture; and that consequently you have incurred all the censures and penalties imposed and promulgated in the sacred canons and other constitutions, general and particular, against such delinquents.
Why would the "center of that creation" be subject to something so imperfect as a wobble? The center of the universe wiggles? According to Ptolemy, the Earth does not rotate. If the Earth does not rotate it has no axis of rotation. If there is no axis of rotation there is no precession. Or, if the Moon were causing the wobble, it would occur on a monthly basis, not a 26,000 year cycle. Ptolemy ignored precession. His model did not correctly predict the motion of the stars. That is why "modern" astrology has had to make adjustments to his model. His model did not predict precession. On the other hand, precession is irrelevant to the heliocentric model.
I think you would run into this same problem no matter what system one subscribes to.
Kepler's laws are quite simple really and you have not explained why they or Newtonian gravitation are inadequate to describe planetary motion. Yes, Newton's laws do not account for very small relativistic effects (and Ptolemy certainly did not). I see you realized that by invoking relativity to dispute Newton you created a little problem for yourself. Einstein's space-time has nothing to do with "ether".
In fact the calculations are more complex and a new model had to be made using elliptical orbits.
www.spaceandmotion.com...
(Albert Einstein, 1928, Leiden)
According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable; . . .
But this aether may not be thought of as endowed with the quality characteristic of ponderable media, as consisting of parts which may be tracked through time. The idea of motion may not be applied to it.
Good! Well just give us the proof. I emailed Jeff so he knows about this thread. You can get the reward if your evidence is in a post made before someone else comes up with it. What I mean is that if you have the answer, no one is going to be able to read your post and turn around and claim the reward.
The heliocentric model was "adopted" (accepted) because it is correct.
Maybe the global warming scare has changed the way that people perceive science works. If there is a list compiled by someone that shows all the scientists believe, even if they are not actually climatologists, that man is making the planet warm, then it's "settled science". Maybe now-days we use science by consensus, but I don't think that is how it should work. People should use what they can see themselves. This is called empirical science, not just a bunch of people at a convention agreeing to all go along with the best sounding theory.
Otherwise, someone would provide verifiable data that the heliocentric is wrong.
we calculate the distance to Mars at that time to be ~38.1 ±4.0 million miles. The value from the JPLephemeris is 0.4026 AU, or 37.4 M mi.
www.newscientist.com...
The band was present at the end of 2009, right before Jupiter moved too close to the sun in the sky to be observed from Earth. When the planet emerged from the sun's glare again in early April, its south equatorial belt was nowhere to be seen.