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Evidence of Grey Alien Origins and Reasons for Human Abductions

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posted on Jun, 18 2004 @ 12:31 PM
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ALIEN HARVEST EVIDENCE OF GREY ORIGINS AND REASONS FOR HUMAN ABDUCTION Written and Compiled by: Dragonbane (8-6-1995) Among the mysteries of modern ufology is the origin of the entities known as the Greys. These small beings are the most commonly observed entities reported by abductees aboard extraterrestrial craft, and are believed to be the ones most responsible for human abductions. There are many things that we do know about the Greys, derived mostly from abductee reports, but there is far more that we do not yet know or understand. Using the evidence at hand, including a collective of abductee reports and stolen government files, it is now possible to make accurate estimates of several aspects of the lives of the Greys, including physiological and mental aspects. Current Theories: The Majestic Twelve: One of the currently held beliefs about the Greys is that they are connected somehow to the United States government, and that this intimate relationship has resulted in many of the technological leaps of the last fifty years made by military and government science, including the F-117 stealth fighter and B-2 stealth bomber, as well as a weapons systems known as Joshua, a ultrasonic weapon, of which a recently declassified research-wave study variant was displayed to the public. The theory goes something like this: A secret group within the government (known as the Majestic Twelve, or the Jason Society, or the Jason Scholars) has given the Greys several large tracts of land in the American Southwest, near the Four Corners area, on which to build large underground bases, know as DUMBs (Deep Underground Military Bases). From these locations, the Greys are able to abduct their targets with much more ease and less observability than they would otherwise be able to do, resulting from a closer location to the abduction sites, thus resulting in decreased flight time, which translates to less time available for detection by others. This is known as the 'Alien-United States Government Technological Exchange Theory,' and is currently popular, in varying degrees, among many researchers and others, who believe that the government is constantly lying about its involvement in the UFO phenomenon, and is keeping much information secret, while using disinformation tactics to make all eyewitnesses appear to be fooling. The disinformation appears in various forms, from government propaganda, lies about activities, and threats to silence witnesses, to the more vocal and outspoken of 'researchers' who attempt to convince others that there is no UFO phenomenon, and no such thing as extraterrestrial life. These 'debunkers' use any explanation, no matter how unlikely and impossible, to explain any and all sightings. There are many documents and eyewitnesses currently available that directly and indirectly implicate the government in conspiracy after conspiracy, the least of which are the event at Roswell and the assassination of John F. Kennedy. These documents do tend to point towards a "Secret Government" which controls much of what we perceive to be our benefactors. Congress, to the best of our knowledge, has not been deeply infiltrated, due to the fact that the members are elected by the people. This makes it possible for any involved officials to be voted out of office. It is possible, however, that various government agencies may set up these candidates and rig elections to gain Congressmen who favor their plans. Congress's activities, however, do not appear to be suspect, except for the usual political logrolling and campaigning. State governments are also for the most part safe from very deep infiltration, due to the fact that the "Secret Government" must be a small group in order to remain secret. Taking over state governments would not only increase the chances of detection, due to an increase in the number of people directly involved, and the proportionate number of people indirectly involved, but also cause problems in the maintenance of the government. The number of people who have direct access to the leaders of such a group would increase exponentially as the number of leaders increase. This would have the effect of drastically increasing chances of accidental public knowledge of their existence. Thus, a "Secret Government" could function at its best on a nation level. The end result of such as large project would be: A population who, as a whole, tends to consider any who study this phenomenon, as well as most witnesses, as 'crackpots and lunatics' A group of trained disinformation agents used to keep the public's mind off of such matters Relative security in operations that would otherwise be viewed with great mistrust. This would be the precise effect wanted by this group, because its motives, as well as its actual operations would be hidden from the population in general, as well as to the rest of the government. Beings of Light: Another popular theory held by many involved in New Age philosophy is that the Greys are truly the benevolent race they claim to be, and that they are here to guide humanity into the next millennium with spiritual understanding of each other, in order to create a more perfect society. It also finds support among those who claim to be in contact with the Greys, and claim to receive information about what they are doing, as well as why. This information, however, seems to be too much like propaganda as well as disinformation to the author. This theory holds that the Greys come from a society whose gene pool has become overly inbred or otherwise has become depleted. It is somewhat similar to the old science fiction scenario, with a dying Mars coming to Earth in order that they can survive. This theory is much simpler, as well as much more direct in its thought process, than the one above, and is entertained more by various groups devoted to the spiritual and mental evolution of mankind. Supporters of this theory say that the same Greys have spoken to them, and told them the reasons that they are here. According to these individuals and groups, the Greys are trying to help humanity save itself by saving the planet, because the death of Earth is soon to come, and tell of great storms, earthquakes, floods, volcanic eruptions, as well as war, pollution, famine, and starvation that will soon to sweep across the face of our planet. The Greys claim that they know these things will happen because they aren't limited by time flowing in a single direction, but can move forwards and backwards though time. While they cannot stop it, they only want to prevent as much suffering as possible. While they are here, though, they could use some of our DNA, because their supply has been drastically reduced, for a reason rarely told to the contactees who communicate to them. Analysis of Theories: These theories both have their various sources, and both have evidence that supports one theory, while detracting from the other. The author's personal views lean towards the first theory, due to several key points of evidence. Most of the evidence for the Grey-government conspiracy comes from sources within the government, and from careful observation and analysis of government activities over the past 50 years. The benevolent Grey belief comes directly from the Greys, who have implanted into their abductees' minds certain instructions and ideas to give to society at various times, as they determine. Using the abductees as 'virtual recorders,' the Greys claim that they are here to 'help humanity realize its potential,' and to 'watch over humanity.' The government files, on the other hand, claim the Greys are adept liars, and they are not to be trusted. This data comes from the few applicable documents gleamed from the military using the Freedom of Information Act, as well as former and current government workers who claim to have broken their oaths of silence and come forward to tell the truth. Admittedly, the government is also run by accomplished liars, so it is a choice of whether to believe a totally alien group, or to believe the US government (Many would have a difficult time with this, and the author is one of those). If the Greys are telling the truth, then we have little to be worried about, except for our own government, and the occasional abduction in the middle of the night. If they are lying, then we are faced with a great dilemma: the people of the world are being manipulated without their knowledge by at least two forces, the Greys and at least one major world government, that of the United States. Analysis of Reasons for Human Abductions: From the various documents, informants, and abductee reports, we can postulate what the Greys are. There are many reports that can be found today, if one knows where to look: Some theorize that the Greys are descendants of modern humans from the future; others state that the Greys are a totally different lifeform not related to Terran humans. This document will hopefully finalize the various theories, and weed out those hypotheses that are deemed highly unlikely due to contradicting evidence and reports. Abductions and Cloning: First of all, the fact must be established that the Greys truly are clones. This is not a new theory, simply a modification of others that have been circulating for a while. There are several reasons why they appear to be clones, if one takes into account behavioral patterns and visual appearances, as deduced from abductee testimonies and other related reports. However, the most intriguing evidence is their abduction plans themselves, and not merely second- and third-hand reports from semi-reliable witnesses about 'tanks of human and alien body parts' somewhere in the deserts of New Mexico. The Greys are abducting human males and females for the purposes of extracting sperm, ova, and other samples of our genetic sequences for reasons unknown. There does appear to be an answer as to why they do so, if the relevant data is taken into consideration, as the reader shall soon see. The Greys must be clones, and the best evidence is in the conduct of the abductions. One can extrapolate from the Heisenburg Uncertainty Principle (which refers to quantum mechanics and the uncertainty of the location and momentum of an electron in an orbital) that genetic sequences break down and begin to have errors in the sequence after several generations of continuous cloning from clones, which is what many believe is occurring with the Greys. The result of cloning from clones, after several generation, is equivalent to inbreeding, where errors creep up in the code, so to speak, and eventually, clones are created that are unable to function, i.e., stillborn. This phenomenon is also likened to the recording of a audio or video cassette from another recording. As copies are made from copies, the overall quality decreases. This postulate can be extrapolated from the fact the as the human DNA chain is very long, and contains much data. If the Greys have a similar genetic code, this hypothesis will still stand. Humans have great genetic variation, and mutations from one generation to the next increase the diversity. However, the mutations that are created generally don't involve the function of major systems of the body. Sexual reproduction is also a buffer to radical mutations affecting the entire body in drastic ways from the norm. With clones, however, the mutations, while small individually, will be copied from one generation to another, and as the number of mutations build up, the greater the chance of a fatal mutation. The sheer complexity of the DNA molecule (in humans) makes it exceedingly difficult to keep tract of every bit of genetic code, and so errors will slip past investigations. There is another problem In this situation: While the Greys seem to be able to successfully cross-breed their genetic material with that of Terran humans, their actual knowledge of truly advanced genetic engineering concepts seems to be lacking. They are not able to manipulate their (or human) genetic code beyond that necessary for the mixing of the two types of replicating molecules. This implies that they either lost the knowledge somehow, or never had it in the first place. Either way, it appears what the Greys don't have very much control over the genetic code of the hybrid created. Thus, cloning from clones creates a dilemma that is fatal to a species dependent on cloning as a method of survival. The way that they propagate is also the method of their death as a species. However, it may be possible, with the genetic engineering techniques that the Greys seem to possess, to infuse viable DNA or other genetic material, suitably modified, into their own next generation of clones, thus creating hybrids and others much like those often reported by abductees. While some may say that if they have the technology to do all that, why not create the genetic materials they need and repair their genetic code themselves without resorting to abducting humans? The answer is very simple, and is a matter of economics: It is by far cheaper, energy- wise and time-wise, to 'harvest' the DNA needed, rather than create the genetic materials themselves. Why spend energy and time building factories, setting codes of purity, as well as finding a source of raw materials for the creation of the replicating molecule, and then reconstruct an entire, functional molecule, when there is a planet of six billion humans which do the job themselves, naturally? The strategic location of underground bases could make this far more economically advantageous, but even a civilization that is FTL-capable, traveling from a distant star, would save time and energy as opposed to massive efforts create a replicating molecule from scratch. Thus, this theory would not only explain current abductions, but also past visitations as well, due to the premise that the abductions are for the purposes of harvesting DNA and other genetic materials for infusion into their own genetic code. There does appear to be a problem in this situation: While the Greys seem to be able to successfully cross-breed their genetic material with that of Terran humans, their actual knowledge of truly advanced genetic engineering concepts seems to be lacking. They are not able to manipulate their (or human) genetic code beyond that necessary for the mixing of the two type of replicating molecules. This implied that they either lost the knowledge somehow, or never had it in the first place. Either way, it appears what the Greys don't have very much control over the genetic code of the hybrid created. The reason for this deduction comes from an analysis of the fact that abductions are occurring: If the Greys had advanced genetic engineering knowledge that they actively used to the extent that they appear to, then it would be plausible that they would be able to repair the errors in the genetic code as they appeared. This is contrary to the fact that abductions are occurring, and so other hypotheses must be made to account for this deviation from the expected. One possible explanation is that the Greys do not do the genetic engineering themselves, but that the system is completely automated, with or without a supervisor. In this manner, the genetic engineering involved in combining both types of genetic code would be contained in a computer of some type, and would create a hybrid embryo from human ova or sperm, with the addition of Grey genetic material suitably modified to be compatible with Terran DNA. One possible method, which would explain the taking of both sperm and ova, would be the following scenario: The ova are modified only very slightly, to make sure of no compatibility problems with the new set of genetic code. The DNA from the human sperm is then removed, and replaced with the Grey genetic material modified to interact accordingly. The sperm is then allowed to combine with the ova, 'mixing' the two gene patterns, and if the code is viable, the resultant embryo grows and divides. At a certain time, the embryo would be put into stasis, by freezing or by another means, for storage, and implanted into a human female mother for further development whenever convenient. This scenario would circumvent the apparent 'hole' in the theory, and would explain why the Greys seem to have advanced genetic engineering technology at their disposal, yet be unable to repair errors in their genetic code, nor diversify their own code through such manipulation. They have either lost the knowledge sometime in the past, or simply used the knowledge that another civilization gave them, without understanding what exactly was going on. Physical Appearances: Other evidence comes from abductee reports on the physical appearance of the Greys. According to abductees and certain government informants, the following physical profile can be deduced about the Greys: The average height of 4 ft. to 4 ft. 6 in. for the 'doctors,' or the leaders of the abductions, and 3 ft. to 3 ft. 6 in. for the workers or 'drones,' with an overall humanoid shape. Their skin coloration is light grey to dark grey and appears to be non-porous. The head is proportionally large and an inverted triangular shape in the vertical plane. The rear skull area is large and rounded, and the eyes being large and slanted upwards toward the rear of the skull. The arms and legs appear to be very thin, with a neck that appears to be far too thin to support the weight of the head. There is no genitalia visible on the ones that appear to be male, nor is there a pubic bulge seen through the clothing. These reports seem to point to the same conclusion: The Greys are sterile mules, with no sexual organs. Descriptions of Grey bodies illustrate their sameness: very similar bodies, with only slight changes in proportions, and stylistic differences being observed in their heads. However, even without sexual organs, the Greys seem to have gender, and are not simply neuter. The genders, however, appear to be completely determined by the mind, with the bodies being almost identical. Abductees report that some Greys 'feel' or 'seem' feminine, while others are very masculine. This seems to point to a time of sex differentiation, which was bred out physically, leaving only the mental pattern to demonstrate the differences between males and females in the Grey social infrastructure. It should also be noted that female Greys are very rarely seen, and are reported to be sterile and incapable of giving birth to offspring. The males are the ones most commonly observed, and simple deduction will show that there is one scenario possible: the Grey females are few in number, and must be isolated for some reason, perhaps to prevent their loss or for genetic repositories. Nevertheless, because Greys cannot breed naturally, due to a lack of sexual organs, artificial methods must be incorporated into their society on a massive, if not simply large, scale to prevent their demise as a species. Origins from Cetaceans: Based on the evidence of their physical appearance, the following hypothesis can be made: The Greys are descended from a dolphin-like or cetacean-based life form. There are several reasons for this supposition. The answer can be found in the similarities between cetaceans and Greys, using physical and behavioral aspects. Physical Aspects and Similarities: First, let us examine the physical characteristics. The skin of a Grey is very similar to that of dolphins in texture, and in most cases, coloration. On Terra, cetaceans evolved legs and arms to function on land, but when they returned to the oceans, the arms and legs evolved into flippers and tails. X-ray analysis clearly show the residual appendages in modern day dolphins and whales as being comparable in skeletal structure to that of land-dwelling mammals in placement and types of bones. It is possible that the Greys evolved much like Terran dolphins did, but did not return to the oceans, but continued to develop as a land based mammal. Next is the skull shape: The Greys have a large rounded skull region area on the upper anterior and posterior sections of their skulls. An examination of the dolphin skull shows very similar large, rounded anterior and posterior areas. The eyes of Greys are described as large and black, with what appears to be a protective shielding covering the eye. Many Terran aquatic animals have developed protective outer eye shields for underwater use. It is possible that this is a left-over attribute from the Greys' ocean origins which has not been bred out, perhaps due to several unknown advantages of the shield. Another factor is the dark coloration of this eye shield. It suggests an eye structure suited for a reduced light environment. In the oceans, this would be natural for a creature living underwater were the planet's primary's light does not penetrate very deep. The dark coloration would in indicative of eyes that absorb nearly all the light that enters it, creating the appearance of blackness. On Terra, dolphins and other cetaceans developed sonar ability as their primary navigational aid, and thus do not rely as much on sight while underwater. Behavioral Aspects and Similarities There are also several similarities in the behavior of Greys and dolphins. Terran dolphins use sonar both to navigate and stun prey and enemies. The stun affect is of particular interest in this case. Dolphins can emit very powerful and focused ultrasonic bursts from the anterior section of their skulls, from an organ known as a 'melon'. This is used to stun prey and enemies, such as sharks and barracuda. There has been an excellent film created by a group of students while diving, illustrating a group of dolphins utilizing this ability on a very large barracuda. The barracuda was swimming towards a group of very young dolphins. Four large adult dolphins turned so that there heads were directly aligned with the barracuda, and emitted a sustained ultrasonic burst. The effect on the barracuda was astounding. It literally froze, completely paralyzed in the water, and even the gills ceased to move. The dolphins stared at it for about thirty seconds, during which time the barracuda remained totally immobilized. As soon as they turned their heads away, the ultrasonic beam was no longer focused on the barracuda, whereas it fled at a very high rate of speed from the scene. Obviously, this beam was tightly focused, and required the dolphin's head to be pointed directly at the target. The strength of the beam could be changed as well. When hunting, the ultrasound beam could be directed at small fish and amplified to lethal levels, causing instant death. Some cetacean researchers believe that this is also used when dolphins ram sharks. Autopsies of the shark corpses after a dolphin attack reveal the sharks internal organs have been visibly shattered. The beam can also be controlled so as to produce a stun effect, as in the case of the barracuda. The result was physical paralysis and disorientation. This phenomenon is very similar to the technique used by the Greys as an aid to telepathic control of abductees. The similarities are almost overwhelming. Nearly every abductee states that when they are abducted, they are paralyzed by the Greys, and become mentally disorientated. The most striking thing most recall is what is known as the 'Stare.' This occurs when a Grey looks directly at an abductee, whereas the large, dark eyes capture the abductee's attention immediately. Abductees then report being unable to move, and a feeling of great mental disorientation. On some rare occasions, abductees report a lessening of these effects when a Grey looked slightly away from them. This clearly indicates that the intensity of the effect was directly proportional to the direction or focus of the front portion of the Grey head. This evidence leads to the hypothesis that the Greys use a kind of ultrasonic sound beam in conjunction with telepathy to paralyze an abductee during an abduction. The 'Stare" as abductees call it, is merely the positioning of the Grey's anterior skull area, the projection area where the Grey equivalent to the cetacean 'melon' is located, to achieve maximum beam concentration on the abductee. When the Grey looks away, the beam would naturally become less focused and the effect would diminish, just as it appears when the Grey is distracted momentarily. The description of the Grey's head is usually large, triangular and rounded in front and back. This suggests a large and rounded rear and frontal brain lobe structure. This is exceedingly similar to the physical structure of a cetacean brain. It is the main difference between cetacean and human brains. This large rounding is thought to be an adaptation of the cetacean brain to handle the enormous data flow received from echo-location and other sound-based communications faculties. It should also be noted that on the rare occasions that abductees hear verbal sounds from Greys, it is described as high-pitched, sometimes chattering or staccato clicks or beeps. These are all similar to the air vocalizations of dolphins. While the brain structure of the Greys has remained basically constant, it can be assumed that the echo-location ability of the Greys would have been decreased or atrophied almost completely. After all, there is probably little use for echo-location is such a society, thus it could have been bred out of the species during cloning. Origins of Greys: Due to no knowledge at all of the origins of the Greys, either as simply evolved cetaceans, or as a cloned slave society, several possible avenues must be explored. A few that might be possible are simple evolution with later genetic self-manipulation or manipulation of cetaceans by an outside species. Since there is no evidence, albeit no data at all, any possible origins theory that can be developed should be judged as possibly faulty, until more data can be gathered. Evolved Cetaceans: A simple explanation for the origins of the Greys would be and evolutionary process similar to that of humans, but from a cetacean ancestor as opposed to a primate ancestor. At one point, instead of returning to the oceans, or perhaps leaving the oceans, cetacean simply evolved as a land-dweller, while retaining the vestigial features of it's ancestors, much as humans still retain body hair, an appendix, and a group of fused tail bones. At another time, the species evolved more rapidly, created a technological base of fire (not possible underwater), and created a complex society. Some time later, the Greys either had a large accident or other event that severely degenerated its genetic pool, or decided that the random genetic mixing of sexual reproduction was inadequate for their society, and embarked on cloning as a means to overcome their problem. After a period of time, the knowledge of advanced genetics, as well as the technology needed to created more advanced versions of their genetic machines were somehow lost, and the result is a society that depends on its machines for species survival, but who cannot recreate the technology. This theory is supported by the reasons behind the abduction phenomenon, as is very streamlined, without involving other species as manipulators. The Masters: Another of the theories possible begins with a cetacean life form evolved on another planet. Unlike Terran cetaceans, they did not return to the oceans, but were discovered and later altered and cloned by another species. This species (called the Masters for argument's sakes), needed a source of slave labor, and thus searched for an intelligent lesser species that they could genetically manipulate in order to be used effectively. Arbitrarily assuming that this period of time was about one million years ago, the most evolved species at that time on Terra would have been dolphins and whales. This might also have been possible on another planet, where a similar species evolved instead of a primate-like organism. Under this theory, the cetacean ancestors of the Greys were taken and genetically altered into an upright, bipedal species capable of doing labor for the Masters. After a time, however, the Greys apparently rebelled, and are now on their own, using the technology of the Masters, but since they were created to simply operate them, and not to design them, their knowledge of the technology's operation is lacking. This theory would explain the lack of knowledge of genetics that the Greys seem to suffer from, and why they can't simply make their own genetic code artificially more diverse. They are able to manipulate the technology, and use it to their advantage, but are unable to understand the actual theoretical aspects and operations behind the use of their equipment, thus resulting in a need for abduction of humans. (Another possibility is the Grey's may not be independent of their Masters, who may continue to control and manipulate the Greys for their own reasons. In this scenario, the Masters are often considered to be the Reptilians.) Conclusions: The final conclusions deduced from the evidence at hand is that the Greys were artificially developed either by persons or beings unknown, or by themselves, and that the Greys evolved from a cetacean-like life form on another world. A cetacean-like life form developed naturally on that planet, and either evolved naturally, or was accelerated in their evolution artificially though genetic engineering, and later cloning, which became their only form of reproduction. Because of the cloning, their genetic sequence degrades after each cloning of a clone, thus leading to the reason for the abduction of Terran humans, as a method of repairing the damage in their own DNA (or other genetic material), as well as adding new sequences to the cloning gene pool.




posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 05:26 PM
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posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 05:33 PM
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I've studied much of the information on this, as motives and agendas are very important to our planet, but core to experiencers like myself.

I have posted numerously that they are dolphin like, and the ones at least dealing with me are positive and have an agenda to free us. This is my belief in any case. The signature they have with me, in the monitoring I feel they do, is to send me happiness. In other words, if an et didn't make me feel this way, then they would have the wrong sig and be the wrong et. This is what I feel.
Dr. Michael Wolf who has many interviews on youtube and google video relays information that feels right to me about greys, at least what is familiar to me.

Edit to add: darn I wish I'd noted the date of this.

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posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 05:36 PM
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Can you explain to me why a species that evolves on another planet with a whole massive store of genetic information( just like we have in labs across the world) would not use this to repair their own genetics. Even though bodies may be cloned that DOES NOT MEAN that it would be the same as inbreeding. 12-14 examples of human or there own ET dna would be enough to seed an unlimited amount of perfect clones. Once you understand how dna works... it would be like playing with legos.

The idea that they are degrading clones is illogical.



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 05:43 PM
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I kind of see them as maxed cerebrally, and not really in need of dna in a personal way perhaps, to save their species. Except that if cloning is used extensively, this may mean a need for new genetics introduced. My father as a science teacher taught me that diversification of the gene pool was essential for health.

I think what they're doing is working with our dna to create hybrids. I think that as we are a more natural, or uncloned race, with some things also preserved in our dna via various bloodlines, that we are a bit of a science harvest for them.
And that advanced races do oversee other planets, such as developing life and watching over it.

I also believe our planet is being run by cartel that have bloodlines to renegades who hijacked our natural evolution and created a kind of slave race. This goes back to Sumaria perhaps and would be the Annanuki or Enki/Enlil group.

That now things are escalating with nuclear and depopulation plans by them and hopefully, this is what I think, this will be dealt with. In other words help may arrive. I project and ask for that all the time.


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posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 05:50 PM
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Machines are far better at physical tasks. Theres no excuse for biological life being used for slave labor. To say they are maxed mentaly is also illogical. With the help of synthetic memory and networked society there is nothing that is mentaly restrictive.

There is also no need to "diversify your genetics" when you enviroment is static. Just as a turkey doesnt need genes to survive on mars or venus.



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 05:54 PM
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My experiences didn't seem to involve ai beings or machines. Not in my memories. And I pretty much see greys as cerebrally as maxed as they can get. Also that they're positive. Its our leaders I'm more concerned with.



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 06:00 PM
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I enjoyed reading your thread, as it appears that somebody put a lot of thought into this.

I am just a little dissapointed that you did not put your own feelings about your topic, whether you find this accurate or not. The work is by somebody else.

For instance, given the conclusion as to why you think this is happening, I
found what Mystiq had to say a great addition, because she explained her feelings on a personal level.

My own feelings about it are that it is still wrong for them to kidnap people, especially after what you have written. While Mystiq has a good feeling on the issue, to me it still seems very selfish, they way they go about taking from people.

What are your own personal feelings on the material you have presented for us to read?



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by mystiq
My experiences didn't seem to involve ai beings or machines. Not in my memories. And I pretty much see greys as cerebrally as maxed as they can get. Also that they're positive. Its our leaders I'm more concerned with.


How do you know ths. I find it amazing that you know so much about the greys. People that seem so informed on such a subject and use their dreams as a source of information are often delusional. the future of ANY race that moves into space involves machines...



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 07:25 PM
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I really don't recall the alleged greys I had met as having large heads. I suppose these I had seen may have been more human or childlike as if hybrids etc. The other thing I think is worth mentioning is that DNA may be altered by the environment such as gravity, magnetic field etc.

There's also the mentioning of harvesting various DNA for cloning and "wearing" these alternate life forms like clothing. There's much talk and speculation. I've seen what appeared to be an older darker wrinkled grey that also spoke like some little people or small humans do.

That was before I had an MRI or similar that supposed implants fell out. These implants were supposedly in a triangular pattern and may have been implanted to block these signals from the greys.

The idea that changes in their DNA to save themselves seems to also be linked to their desire to mantain their abilites at mind control, higher thinking and hive telepathy.

Im sure greys don't want to be dumbed down to our level either.

I recall having met what seemed to be AI/android or those who used some type of artifical body in some way, either by occupying it or remotely, as has been suggested with other life forms with implants etc.

One alleged artifical life form was supposedly a shapeshifter made of some type of metal dust particles. Changing size seemed to involve more or less particles etc. One time, they even left a pile in my house I had to take outside. It seemed more like aluminum dust though. I buried it next to the house for some odd reason.

A couple of times a pile of what looked like gray oatmeal was left in a pile somehwere that looked more like vomit, but may have been a bowel movement. I assumed it was from an animal because I usually didn't recall anything else.

The only ones with large heads I recall having seen were black, not grey.

Although, I do recall a few I had met that seemed to change their color by painting themselves. Nearly all I've seen didn't wear any clothes.

Those who wore clothes appeared to be human and apparently didn't wear metal or leather. The colors were either light blue or brown.

I think there may be those who clone some beings and have an agenda to make the species negative or hostile. The few small ones I met I felt were more like kids for some reason. I suppose this is just one of their masking thoughts and planted memories.

It's odd this thread wasn't locked being so old and with no comments either. Where are all the rest that pop up now and then? I've had trouble finding one of them.

It would be nice if ATS did an update on all of these in their new Media section as a tutorial or lecture.



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by aleon1018

That was before I had an MRI or similar that supposed implants fell out. These implants were supposedly in a triangular pattern and may have been implanted to block these signals from the greys.


What ever happened to these "supposed" implants?


Im sure greys don't want to be dumbed down to our level either.


How do you know this?


One time, they even left a pile in my house I had to take outside. It seemed more like aluminum dust though. I buried it next to the house for some odd reason.


Can you retrieve this?


A couple of times a pile of what looked like gray oatmeal was left in a pile somehwere that looked more like vomit, but may have been a bowel movement. I assumed it was from an animal because I usually didn't recall anything else.


And this is now, where? You have physical evidence, and buried it, or did who knows what? Why aren't you sharing this evidence with the world?



[edit on 1-3-2009 by Blanca Rose]



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 08:36 PM
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That was several years ago and I'm just recalling many of these things now. I no longer live in those areas. The government may have done a clean-up since then if they suspected. The metal particles may have just been what I said also. The poop or whatever would be long gone since then, which is over 10 years now. Besides, this also happened again where I lived at 6 years ago inside in the hallway of the apartment building. If anyone at that time wanted to test it or cover it up, it's passed that time and haven't heard anything.

Everytime I've had anything that could have been used as evidence, has been taken away. The 28 implants that supposedly fell out were recovered by people wearing Air Force uniforms. I didn't see the movie series Taken until after that. Strange coincidences that many would say were from watching these movies or reading about it. sigh

I've posted before about the implants and the logic of having these inside my head that didn't kill me having an MRI....just didn't fit.

I've had x-rays quite a few times that showed implants. One was just a couple years ago in the same area I just had a hernia surgery.

I've been warned back in 2002 that I couldn't afford another x-ray.

Having any proof doesn't mean it won't get stolen and discredited.

For some odd and typical reason, I was always made to forget about it.

Greys, from what I understand and heard, don't want to be as dumbed down as humans. This to us may be like taking over a body of a cave man.

If greys wanted to 'always' be us, they would have left and abandoned their small grey bodies a long time ago. Maybe many have and we are them?

Things I recall having hidden where I lived as a kid are now gone. The bedroom was remodeled. These places are owned by other people. They would likely claim rights and ownwership.



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 09:14 PM
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Thank you for answering my questions.

I can see why you are sighing, as it seems you have answered these questions before.

Sorry, as I am new here, and haven't seen any of your comments on the topic before.

With all it seems you are just now remembering, I hope you keep notes of things when they become apparent to you, so you can make heads or tails out of your experiences, if only for youself some day.

Thanks for sharing!



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 09:27 PM
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Machines can't breed,be inovative,direct and control sentient beings.
Why haul machinery through space when there is allready an abundance
of slave labor on earth ?



posted on Mar, 2 2009 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by Blanca Rose
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Thank you for answering my questions.

I can see why you are sighing, as it seems you have answered these questions before.

Sorry, as I am new here, and haven't seen any of your comments on the topic before.

With all it seems you are just now remembering, I hope you keep notes of things when they become apparent to you, so you can make heads or tails out of your experiences, if only for youself some day.

Thanks for sharing!


Actually, I don't recall anyone else bothering to ask and most of my posts are ignored. I keep some mental notes and have saved some of these in my computer which was apparently hacked a few weeks ago. Nothing much to find that isn't posted here. No artifacts or pictures, just ramblings. Thanks for asking anyway.



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 04:22 PM
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I was abducted as a child.I believe that we are the future humans.The greys are PAST humans who have been trying to repopulate the earth with humans that have a NEW genetic future.

Natural global disasters always ravage the earth and our governments and scientists know it.

Our governments refuse to relinquish control of humanities future TO THE AVERAGE HUMAN.A very few believe that they have a right to steer the course of humanity.Sorry for their luck,but that is a really antiquated outlook.

A big one is always coming and humans arer always preparing.



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 06:24 PM
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A long, stupid, boring and unnecessary post which does not offer any evidence for any of the claims posted. This post, my dear friends, IS a waste of bandwidth and I am surprised that ATS allows it. It isn't that it is not worthy of discussion, but that any discussion is not worthy. Greys, MJ12, etc., is what the stupid side of UFOlogy is all about.

How about sticking to the facts? It's safer ground.

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posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 07:01 PM
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very interesting analysis. one thing though. the cetacean grey theory is a little flawed. the ultrasonic sonar that cetaceans emit may work great on fish and small prey. might even make a shark uncomfortable enough to want to book out. but it won't stop a determined large sized animal. There is footage of a sperm whale in fiji. it's staken from underwater. the whale was sitting in a small cove seemingly distressed in maybe only 30 feet or so of water. a diver is swimming about 150 feet from the whale trying to videotape it underwater. sudden;y and with out provocation the sperm whale turn on a dime and begins to charge the diver. it's interesting footage as the wale is coming right for the camera, mouth agape. the diver is trying to flee but it's a hale not like he can o anywhere. the whale uses it's sonar blast on the diver. you can hear it in the video. thump thump thump as it approaches. it sounds pissed off. the diver felt it, said it hurt, but not enough to stun him. said it felt like somebody punching or slapping him but thats it. the sperm whale ends the ordeal by ramming the diver who at the last minute manages to get out of the way of the whale. the diver gets sideswiped, receives a broken hip and some cracked ribs and a mild concussion. the whale runs for it.

the point being that the sonar emitted from cetaceans although very effective is not enough to disable a human while underwater and thats a 30 foot sperm whale. doubt the greys much smaller "melon" could do it either. I'm betting the greys have a beam focused into the room that screws up nervous system functions like a microwave beam or something.

Anpther thing. why abduct humans to get genetic sequences. that makes no sense. they have the tech to come here from a distant star system. they can walk around our atmosphee and not die from whatever pathogens there are. we can't even go to another region of the earth without getting dangerously sick from the pathogens. can walk through walls, erase your memory, ahve antigravity tech, and yet they are complete backwards idiots when it comes to the most simple genetics.

Humans are seemingly more advanced than these greys at genetics science. why don't the greys simply wait for a person to go to work. sneak into their house, take some hair samples from your pillow take it back to their space ship read the full genetic code and then alter it to their fancy as many times as they please. why not. we can do that. it's pretty basic in the genetics sciences. stupid greys. limited to their science by the abductees knowledge of science. tacit proof of the abductees making up the whole genetic experiment thing?

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posted on Mar, 12 2009 @ 05:14 PM
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I was abducted and had medical procedures performed on me.My reproductive system was in some way altered.I thought that I was doing sex because the little thing was positioned between my legs when I woke up ,as I lay on an exam table.

In a nutshell,It was explained to me that there was a difference between sex and reproduction.It was a telepathic conversation with a human being not a grey.

The little thing had no compassion for me,it was performing the procedure and I either scared or hurt it with a huge burst of emotion that I experienced suddenly.There was no communication between the thing and I .Only humans and I.

The little guys can enter your home to take you,they came into mine.I believe the reason has something to do with the method of getting into and out of the ship.Or something that gives them an edge over us,my dog sure knew they were around.

There were three seperate but co-operating groups on the ship I was taken onto.Anytime any species or groups with their own agendas are forced through agreement or necessity to function as on unit you can be sure that when the job is done they will all return to ONLY their agenda and with a vengence.

Does anyone else see the problem with this?Who cares why the greys are here,who cares if they have communicated with some of us?The fact that they communicated with some of us but not all of us is disturbing.What we need to find out and fast is WHY some of us are only abducted by the greys and some of us are abducted by a consortium that includes humans who use telepathy and humans who are military.

I was offered a chance to join a war that we are in or were in when I was seven.There was a completely military manner on the ship I was on.I was not under great pressure and I was somehow communicated to in a way that allowed my seven year old mind to grasp or understand very adult concepts.The greys werent part of the what I call acceptable part of the experience.The humans were.

In my case I believe I was taken with the main reason being to take my sperm if you can even do that to a seven year old,the secondary reason to recruit me to fight in a war if I chose,the third reason to implant me with devices.

The greys are taking genetic material from us,the humans that use telepathy and dont dress military are there to watch the greys and the military humans are just that soldiers of an army.

I still wonder why the greys that were involved with me were being monitered and why some people are being taken by only greys with NO overseer present??

I believe the greys are a race of humans that is very old and geneticly depleted,maybe they just got back from a thousand year trip somewhere and need a genetic boost or the earth has healed and they have come home but need to be able to live in our environment



posted on Mar, 12 2009 @ 05:14 PM
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I was abducted and had medical procedures performed on me.My reproductive system was in some way altered.I thought that I was doing sex because the little thing was positioned between my legs when I woke up ,as I lay on an exam table.

In a nutshell,It was explained to me that there was a difference between sex and reproduction.It was a telepathic conversation with a human being not a grey.

The little thing had no compassion for me,it was performing the procedure and I either scared or hurt it with a huge burst of emotion that I experienced suddenly.There was no communication between the thing and I .Only humans and I.

The little guys can enter your home to take you,they came into mine.I believe the reason has something to do with the method of getting into and out of the ship.Or something that gives them an edge over us,my dog sure knew they were around.

There were three seperate but co-operating groups on the ship I was taken onto.Anytime any species or groups with their own agendas are forced through agreement or necessity to function as on unit you can be sure that when the job is done they will all return to ONLY their agenda and with a vengence.

Does anyone else see the problem with this?Who cares why the greys are here,who cares if they have communicated with some of us?The fact that they communicated with some of us but not all of us is disturbing.What we need to find out and fast is WHY some of us are only abducted by the greys and some of us are abducted by a consortium that includes humans who use telepathy and humans who are military.

I was offered a chance to join a war that we are in or were in when I was seven.There was a completely military manner on the ship I was on.I was not under great pressure and I was somehow communicated to in a way that allowed my seven year old mind to grasp or understand very adult concepts.The greys werent part of the what I call acceptable part of the experience.The humans were.

In my case I believe I was taken with the main reason being to take my sperm if you can even do that to a seven year old,the secondary reason to recruit me to fight in a war if I chose,the third reason to implant me with devices.

The greys are taking genetic material from us,the humans that use telepathy and dont dress military are there to watch the greys and the military humans are just that soldiers of an army.

I still wonder why the greys that were involved with me were being monitered and why some people are being taken by only greys with NO overseer present??

I believe the greys are a race of humans that is very old and geneticly depleted,maybe they just got back from a thousand year trip somewhere and need a genetic boost or the earth has healed and they have come home but need to be able to live in our environment



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