reply to post by ET_MAN
But I also realize that you may discount and disbelieve in all such experiences as being simply delusions or created experiences in the mind/spirit or
something along those lines.
I have never said experiences are delusions. I have said that there are distortions, due to our own desires and fears through preconceived ideas.
Yeshua/Christ is the ONE who told me through an NDE miraculous/experience of me coming back to life according to life and death as man understands it
He told you that all must come to God through him, through his name?
Do you believe that you've never made a mistake in your entire life?
When one see's that all was needed in their life, their past doings are not looked at as mistakes but more as lessons that were needed,
opportunities. I accept all the things I done were things that were needed.
we also need to be on that level and without mistake perfected through the spirit of Christ.
In the illusion of separation, the soul will always long for unity with the Spirit, its true self. This is not supposed to be perfect as in a utopia
here...it is perfect in the sense that all that is needed for the purpose of this life is provided. This is a winepress of sorts, it has a job to do.
It simply cannot be done and to this end there must be redemption and someone taking away our mistakes so that we can reach that level and overcome
the oppositions of duality so that we can also become perfected and one in spirit as they are
How would you learn, without so called 'mistakes'? Cherish all the things, good and bad, that have taught you what you know now. There are no
mistakes, only lessons. As long as souls are experiencing individuality and not unity...there will be suffering in the way we 'define' suffering. As
long as we are in bodies, there will be what we call duality. Its a cause and effect situation of the Spirit manifesting.
There are no blood oaths and such performed things are not of truth but are distortions, deceptions and lies by the adversary.
Thank you for clarifying on that. Though I dont give credit to an 'adversary' but I see it as things mankind had to go through. As we are trying to
evolve out of old ways of blood sacrifice, as a whole, we are having a hard time moving away from ways of old. Though I dont find the blood
sacrifices to be a divine wisdom, the beliefs in them were still needed and serve a purpose for us learning and discerning in this day and age,
weighing and measuring with ways of old. I think the only adversary is our own self, the "I" that we thing we are and as man has tried to make
understandings of bad things....they blamed a outside source, a scapegaot more or less. Part of my path involved going back and understanding why they
believed what they did and forgiving them for what they knew not.
Perhaps you've taken it as such but we've been discussing and sharing beliefs all along, please read your own replies back to me throughout the
discussion and they also could be taken in such a way although I do not take them in that way. I do my very best to only find the good in all
Yes, I know, and I dont hold it against you or judge you for your path. Im just saying, its not your usual nature and the whole Bible thing is not
something I really want to get deeply into again. Im just very much against the idea that someone had to die for us to be saved and that we have to go
through another man to reach God. Its not something I wish to partake of if that is anothers path and I am willing to let them have that space to walk
that path if that is what they need. I do not think the Bible is a word of God but is more about earthly wisdoms that makes people focus too much on
details of earthly things. I find that if one wants to lead in the steps of Jesus, they need to be very careful for many distortions have been tied to
him that he did not wish for.
Have you not yourself used statements and teachings coming directly from the words of Jesus Christ (according to that which is written in the new
testament) in your own words.
I have...but I was not there and do not know if the things I do use that I find wisdom in is really something from the mouth of Jesus. I could take a
quote from Lion King if I felt it showed the nature of Spirit in it....but that would not make Lion King a divine word. I stir away when people start
saying 'you must find God through Jesus'.
Do you believe that Jesus Christ lives not being recycled according to some of your other beliefs?
I believe his body did go back to the Earth and I think he awaits the other souls to awaken and sift through this winepress. Possibly even he is still
incarnating by choice, refusing to move forward without 'all'. His soul, like our souls, is a phase of the Spirit. This is why we can reach the mind
complex of Jesus, through the Spirit that he is a part of.
Are those who are torturing, murdering, abusing and doing all kinds of evil in the world right where they need to be? Are those performing such things
without mistake or error, are they perfect? Even those who do such things intentionally knowing exactly what they are doing to others and enjoy doing
such things, are such without mistake and perfect?
The Spirit of life within them is perfect, always. Yes, they need to walk those paths to learn what they are in need of. Its not a mistake....if it
serves what they are in need of to learn.
Have you been into the heavens and can you clearly remember what it was like? My experiences do not come from books.
Heaven is a state of being with Spirit. Yes, a couple of times I know my voice was raised the that vibration. As I accepted certain things I had to do
in Spirit....I had to raise my voice to this state of being, as if signing my name on a contract that I knew the responsibilities of what I had been
shown. Precious pearls are not going to be just given to anyone without the making sure they know their worth. Im not denying that you have not been
given such nor am I saying that I have not misunderstood something I was shown through my own distortions. But there are reasons why we all dont see
the same thing and just as you are going to follow your guidance through Spirit, of course so will I do the same. What ever differences we do see, is
something we are both in need of and will provide us with things to learn sometime.
If I was to ask you how you were born into the earth life existence could you tell me that you were never born and have no mother or is there only one
truth answer to such a thing?
Earthly knowledge comes from other men and from books. Things of Spirit should be able to be shown to you without both of those things. Find the
truths that were already here before man and beliefs by man.
Man exists in a mortal/imperfect world that contains disease, pestilence, famine, starvation, sufferings and sorrow even unto death (as man perceives
it to be) which is not in a perfected state/condition.
Of course we dont find it to be perfect....but for the divine purpose, these things are needed here. They show us what happens when the Spirit
manifests and is not perceived as 'whole' and they also will lead us back to the wholeness. In physical worlds and in individual bodies, there is
going to be dualities as we all them. The soul longs for unity and oneness and it always will.
I have also shared that all of mankind have inheritances and birth rights to be Sons and Daughters of God
Thanks again for clarifying where you were coming from. But I would say...its not that we can 'become' or 'to be'....but ARE.
Do you believe in Jesus Christ? Do you feel that you know him in Spirit? Do you pray unto the Creator in Jesus Christ's name?
I believe there was a man called Jesus that raised his vibration while here. I feel I do know him in Spirit. I do not pray to Jesus in his name...and
Christ is not his name. I feel we are all to raise our vibration by living more for things of Spirit and through other people we can get ideas of how
to do that....but I also think that we can learn to do it even if we had no other mens stories and history of mans doings. I think the ways of Spirit
can be found in the very design of nature and through observance of how things makes us feel inside. I actually dont really pray anymore....unless its
asking Spirit to help me accept what I can not change, help me deal with the path that is laid before me. I dont ask for Spirit to change things
Clearly killing is not part of the Divine plan, yet are all who kill without mistake and perfect and right where they need to be doing what they are
doing? Are all those who murder, abuse and torture knowing and understanding exactly what they are doing to others making them suffer in pain perfect
and without mistake? Is that right where they really need to be?
As a developing self, they are not perfect....but what they do in actions and behaviors, is going to provide them with what they need to learn. To
know the worth of something, we often learn from its opposite. Lessons are not only for the individual....but also for others.
Those that killed Jesus....had something to learn. Imagine the worth of love they were taught after their own death and they stood before the Divine
Eye of truth and say Jesus forgiving them for what they knew not. As they had something to learn....it also provides us with something to learn. If
another like him comes again....will we kill him for the things he teaches? Im sure the event will be provided to us again, as a whole. Hopefully we
wont feel the need to kill another for teaching his own thoughts. Its just another weight and measure to us as a whole....of what we are ready for and
what we are not. Mankind needs to find middle ground in many ways. It was mot a mistake they killed him....for they had things to learn as well as
the event had things to teach us....but....it did not have to happen for us to be 'saved or redeemed'. Its more about awakening to the nature of
Spirit that is the true self of us all.
Cherish the bad and the good, for they equally mold us and teach us.
I hope I did not come off as too distant from your postings....I just have really stepped away from those that say we have to come to God in the name
of Jesus. I dont hold any man higher then another. I dont hold any man to the level of 'god' then any other. We all have the divine light within
us....and yes, we can use people like Jesus to help us see how to find it....but we dont HAVE to use Jesus to fine it.
My best to you and yours