I was interested to see what the general ATS community opinions on homeopathy were.

I've read through out the years both sides of the argument and wanted to see if anyone here has tried and what your experience with it was.

Good? Bad? No change?

I haven't tried it myself, as basic science contradicts the basis of homeopathy, but I have had a few patients who admitted to trying it. Of course, they wouldn't have come to see me had the homeopathy worked.

Homeopathy is counter logical. It's like saying, "The less I eat, the fatter I become". If the theory behind homeopathy was true, you should be able to get all your cures from simple tap water. If water has a memory, then everything you need should be there because that water is essentially billions of years old and has probably come in contact with nearly everything.

The only possible effects homeopathy may have is in the form of a placebo. Also it may just be that the body was naturally healing itself at the time the person started their homeopathic remedy... and thus the person believes the remedy to be the cause.

IRM

[edit on 30/7/10 by InfaRedMan]

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix

1) The people with the " the highest death rates from cancer, even in the younger age brackets" would still be there if naturpathic and homeopathic medicine did not exist.

People are not taught in this country from an early age to eat healthy foods exercise and feed the body all the good life giving things it needs to be healthy.

The FDA approved drugs called preservatives in our processed foods are toxic and poisonous to the body. Many of them that have been banned for years are now being used again because lobbyists have convinced th FDA that this is a good idea.. when they are still banned all over the world.

Our foods are denatured, striped of their nutrition so badly by processing that they have to add synthetic vitamins and minerals to the foods to counter what was lost. The RDA is a joke. many studies show that the body needs many more vitamins and minerals a day than what the RDA calls for.

So, you're just going to ignore the point I made and dance around it with unrelated facts, right? The nations that have the lowest exposure to western medicine and the highest reliance on naturopathic and homeopathic medicine have some of the highest cancer death rates.

Please explain this, rather than explaining another point I never asked about.

2) I do not have a source.

That's all I needed to know.

3) Have you read any of Dr. Sheldon's books from the website or did you just search the skeptical sayings him on Google to dig up that information?

Please read the link I provided. It gives you the exact citation for the works Shelton wrote that espoused his views on medicine being connected to demonology.

Many doctors believe odd things and they are very good doctors. I even know a few who post on an ATS conspiracy forum - Boy.. if their contemporaries only knew what kooks they were! See my point?

The difference being, those doctors don't publish books on the subject and try to convince patients to give up conventional therapies despite having no evidence that doing so will help.

In the books I have read of his from that site, he does not mention any of the things you claim he believed. Therefore he is keeping his personal beliefs out of his books on these subjects.

Again, please read my link. It provides you with the exact citations for Shelton's work.

Did you actually CLICK my link, or are you just making assumptions about it without actually reading it?

Your a Doctor right? I assume you took a Hippocratic oath?

You know, Hippocrates believed, " Let food be your medicine and medicine be your food "

But modern doctors don't really believe that do they? No, they are not taught to prescribe healthy foods to cause the body to heal itself.. they prescribe drugs. That is what they are taught to do from medical school. They are not being true to Hippocrates, what he believed and the oath that bears his name.

Pardon my language, but are you #ting me? You've never had a doctor tell you to eat fresh vegetables, cut back on red meat, and try to eat unprocessed food? We learn that from DAY ONE in our PRE-medical studies, not just in medical school.

Are you just going to continue making things up to support your propaganda?

When is the last time you heard a professor of medicine teach people to only prescribe drugs as an absolute last resort after trying everything else.. it doesn't happen.

This was taught everyday on the wards. You only medicate when necessary, and only for as long as necessary. It's a basic concept taught at all medical schools.

[edit on 7/30/2010 by VneZonyDostupa]

Well it worked for me and I had a severe case of asthma as a kid.

Yes it works I used it to lose 80 pounds. I was always skeptical of it but results are hard to argue with.

I look at it this way; quantum mechanics suggest everything is based on waves or vibrations including all creation. Everything is in motion including molecules and cells in our bodies.

So anytime you take a medicine, herb, tincture, etc. even food, for illness or health or what ever you are introducing a new vibration to communicate with the body to tell it what you want it to do. It's the language of the universe so to speak.

The only caveat is homeopathics requires very precise manufacturing so no trace of an outside substance can taint the product and introduce a different vibration also. I have taken the cheap stuff from Walmart ad it was useless. But a good brand is Mediral it works everytime.



[edit on 30-7-2010 by hawkiye]

It worked for me. It saved me form having my gall bladder due to gall bladder disease cause by...wait for it....prescription drugs.

If you do a Google Scholar search for alternative healing, energy healing, qigong, homeopathy, etc., you will find a plethora of extracts, summaries, and occasionally full reports on the efficacy of Complementary and Alternative Medicines. They are all effective when used at the right situation. The same applies to Western medicine. Just a standard Google search will yield volumes of reports of Western medicine being as ineffective as practitioners of Western medicine claim alternative medicines to be.

There is one single healing modality that can claim to be best overall. They all have their own realm where they function optimally.

As for water and its memory, Google that too (i.e., physics water memory) if you need "scientific" validation.

[edit on 30/7/2010 by CosmicEgg]

It is obvious from reading here that many of the bloggers have no clue about homeopathy. At any rate, to refute what the above "doctor" posted, i live in New Orleans, in cancer alley. We are the cancer capital of the country, and there is NO natural medicine or homeopathy offered here. Handle that. Anywho, I was dating a naturopathic doctor for seven years, and i mean one of the real ones who went through pre med, then paid several hundred thou to get a serious education from SCNM. Essentially ND's from there, bastyr, and NCNM get the same training as MD's, the microbio, the pharma, the AnP, but they also have to learn herbal med, accupuncture, homeo, adjustments, etc. Its a 4-6 year post grad intensive, not to be confused with those who get their diploma off some website.

So, living together as she went to school, we tried many of the things at home...often with incredible results. One that stands out to me....i got an inguinal hernia and had to have surgery to repair it. The first time, i went with the doctors advice and stopped all supplementation etc and post op, my whole groin area was black and blue and i couldnt really get up and about for a week and a half. I DID put on some homeopathic arnica cream in the black and blue area about 4 days in, and amazingly, all the areas i spread it turned healthy pink the next day...excepting areas that i missed with stood out like little islands of purple. So, 2 years later i had to get another inguinal hernia repair...this time i took my girlfriends advice, and took oral arnica, with a few other things, starting the day before my surgery and continuing after. Amazingly my flesh did not bruise or discolor at all after the surgery! Guess it was just placebo.

I have used homeopathic traumeel cream on my knee often and successfully reduce inflamation from tai-chi/gong fu. My mother used a homeopathic remedy once when she fell and twisted her ankle. It had swollen up large in minutes. 20 minutes after she took it she could walk again with no pain, she was amazed. It can be extremely effective, and measurable....after I had my hernia surgery, my girlfriend and several other doctors we were having dinner with informed me that there are two homeopathic remedies that are often used in alternating sequence to push foreign objects out of the body, say a BB or something. They said i could no longer use that treatment, as it has shown in studies to push the mesh from the hernia repair out. Scary!

As to it being placebo effect, thats misinformed conjecture. Homeopathy has been shown in numerous studies to be effective for dogs and cats as well...there is one homeopathic remedy that is quite successful for dogs who are overly afraid of thunderstorms...makes my dog calm and relaxed even when its lightening outside....guess thats just placebo too, eh?

Homeopathy is not counter to science.....just counter to our understanding of it. Which...to say the least, is still rather far from complete. Just because we dont understand something is not to say its false, but rather to reflect the level of our current paradigm, which has incredibly far to go, though many seem to think we are the "height of science and knowledge". Sadly, much of the science being produced now is what i call "politico-science" ie: science performed to maximize profit, not to reflect reality.

Homeopathy cured me from pfeiffer PERMANENTLY in 2 weeks and it cured my babybrothers hooping cough in 2 weeks.

Homeopathy really does work but as some posters pointed out, its a maze of different assumptions on the part of practitioners and one needs to find the golden needle in a haystack to get to the core of things...

The way I learned it homeopathic treatment ussually lasts 2 weeks of taking a diluted dose of something wich "responds" to your specific ilness.. after 2 weeks of taking the medicine (diluted in water, lots of water) the symptoms will increase, this is your cue to stop treatment...

kinda weird but it deffinetely did the trick for me for years. My mother was a serious pracctitioner..

[edit on 30/7/2010 by faceoff85]

Osteopathic= your own spiritual energy can and will treat you
Allopathic= treat symptoms,
Homeopathic= herbs, vitamins, balanced living and nutrition
Psychopathic= insane, brain/mind causes disease
Idiopathic= cause unknown, etiology undetermined.

Small correction there slugger.

Allopathic=treating a disease with another disease
Homeopathic=using homeopathic remedies to treat systemic symptoms
Naturopathic=herbs, vitamins, balanced living and nutrition, pharmacology where needed or more efficient, treating source not symptom.
Osteopathic=all diseases caused by misalignment of musculo-skeletal structure
Oriental medicine=disease caused by imbalance of Chi.