reply to post by nanobyte
hi nanobyte,
as far as i know there is nobody really dealing with the subject now, it used to be nick pope at the m.o.d as secratariat air staff 2a, but he
resigned and said the m.o.d has closed down its "x files"
en.wikipedia.org...
i dont think the subject is taken very seriously these days.
thanks
rich
[edit on 24-7-2010 by RICH-ENGLAND]
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reply posted on 24-7-2010 @ 11:57 AM by David_Reale
reply to post by muzzleflash
Blue Light was the Special Forces counterterrorism unit that was supposed to do counterterrorism work while Delta Force was being set up in the 70's. Supposedly, it was disbanded when Delta went operational.
I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong, though. I've heard rumors (mainly in various whistleblower interviews) that the people responsible for this kind of ops were the Air Force's "Blue Berets". Now, I've only managed to find one unit in the Air Force that wore blue berets (and this was a few years back, so it might've changed), and they were medics. So, Blue Light could be a secret Air Force unit with blue berets.
There's also, of course, the Special Tactics Squadrons of the US Air Force. They're the Air Force's Special Operations capability, and it stands to reason then that they would be used for this kind of operation.
My last suggestion isn't the Air Force's. I read, however, again a few years back, a list of a #load of agencies and organs of the supposed "Shadow Government", by one Doctor Richard Boylan. He mentioned that there was a military wing of Majestic Twelve. Now stay with me here. The military wing was named NSO, for National Reconnaissance Organization. (Not to be mistaken for the NRO, or National Reconnaissance Office, a whole different organization).
Further on, NSO supposedly had their own special ops army called PI40, and THOSE were supposedly the forces that were sent out to retrieve crashed UFO's.
It might be true, or it might not be. I'll try and dig up the link either way.
And, if it's not true, it still makes for one hell of a good sci-fi story setting.
Edit to add:
Alright. My memory had twisted a bit, but the part you want to read still is the part about NSO, which's acronym apparently is NRO these days, probably to confuse it with National Reconnaissance Office. You can read about it here, though this was not the original site that I read it on way back when.
The interesting part is this, and I quote:
Food for thought.
[edit on 24-7-2010 by David_Reale]
[edit on 24-7-2010 by David_Reale]
Blue Light was the Special Forces counterterrorism unit that was supposed to do counterterrorism work while Delta Force was being set up in the 70's. Supposedly, it was disbanded when Delta went operational.
I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong, though. I've heard rumors (mainly in various whistleblower interviews) that the people responsible for this kind of ops were the Air Force's "Blue Berets". Now, I've only managed to find one unit in the Air Force that wore blue berets (and this was a few years back, so it might've changed), and they were medics. So, Blue Light could be a secret Air Force unit with blue berets.
There's also, of course, the Special Tactics Squadrons of the US Air Force. They're the Air Force's Special Operations capability, and it stands to reason then that they would be used for this kind of operation.
My last suggestion isn't the Air Force's. I read, however, again a few years back, a list of a #load of agencies and organs of the supposed "Shadow Government", by one Doctor Richard Boylan. He mentioned that there was a military wing of Majestic Twelve. Now stay with me here. The military wing was named NSO, for National Reconnaissance Organization. (Not to be mistaken for the NRO, or National Reconnaissance Office, a whole different organization).
Further on, NSO supposedly had their own special ops army called PI40, and THOSE were supposedly the forces that were sent out to retrieve crashed UFO's.
It might be true, or it might not be. I'll try and dig up the link either way.
And, if it's not true, it still makes for one hell of a good sci-fi story setting.
Edit to add:
Alright. My memory had twisted a bit, but the part you want to read still is the part about NSO, which's acronym apparently is NRO these days, probably to confuse it with National Reconnaissance Office. You can read about it here, though this was not the original site that I read it on way back when.
The interesting part is this, and I quote:
National Reconnaissance Organization (NRO) (aka MJ-TF), the military/intelligence operations arm of the PI-40 Subcommittee, conducts surveillance, interdiction, capture and confiscation of UFOs and their extra-terrestrial occupants for intelligence and "International Security" purposes; surveilles and "interacts" with close encounter experiencers, including occasional physically and sexually assaultive mind control kidnappings disguised as "Alien abductions" for psychological warfare and dis-informational purposes, headquarters unknown, probably compartmented and dispersed among various elite Delta Force Special Operations units, such as the USAF Blue Light at Hurlburt Field, Mary Esther, FL and Beale Air Force Base, Marysville, CA.
Food for thought.
[edit on 24-7-2010 by David_Reale]
[edit on 24-7-2010 by David_Reale]
reply posted on 24-7-2010 @ 12:11 PM by muzzleflash
reply to post by David_Reale
Nice work there.
Loved reading your research.
Very interesting that the NRO (NSO?) and Blue Light have those kind of connections *allegedly?*.
I'll do some digging and see if I can't find where I read about it from, it was here on ATS like over 6 years ago seriously. Haha
Nice work there.
Loved reading your research.
Very interesting that the NRO (NSO?) and Blue Light have those kind of connections *allegedly?*.
I'll do some digging and see if I can't find where I read about it from, it was here on ATS like over 6 years ago seriously. Haha
reply posted on 24-7-2010 @ 12:17 PM by EyeHeartBigfoot
reply to post by nanobyte
Timothy Good's book Alien Contact was my first UFO related purchase. I did believe him to be very credible until I changed my whole view on the UFO/Alien Subject. If I waffle/flip-flop again I would consider his research at least worthy of one review.
Regarding which MILITARY Unit would be in-charge of crash retrieval, I know I saw a documentary that covered this subject on BLUE LIGHT. It may be in an episode of UFO Hunters, but not real certain. I will do what I can to find it for you to review. NO Promises that it is accurate but at least something to help you along during your quest.
S & F for excellent question and bring this issue back.
Regards,
t
EDIT: To clarify and fix typo
[edit on 7/24/2010 by EyeHeartBigfoot]
Timothy Good's book Alien Contact was my first UFO related purchase. I did believe him to be very credible until I changed my whole view on the UFO/Alien Subject. If I waffle/flip-flop again I would consider his research at least worthy of one review.
Regarding which MILITARY Unit would be in-charge of crash retrieval, I know I saw a documentary that covered this subject on BLUE LIGHT. It may be in an episode of UFO Hunters, but not real certain. I will do what I can to find it for you to review. NO Promises that it is accurate but at least something to help you along during your quest.
S & F for excellent question and bring this issue back.
Regards,
t
EDIT: To clarify and fix typo
[edit on 7/24/2010 by EyeHeartBigfoot]
reply posted on 24-7-2010 @ 12:17 PM by muzzleflash
www.abovetopsecret.com...
This says they are Red Berets. I have no clue however lol.
And check out this thread there is some really good posts in there that give a lot of information.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
U.S. Special Operations Command
Hurlburt Field, Mary Esther, Fl, along with its Western U.S. Headquarters, Special Operations Command, Beale AFB, Marysville, CA, coordinating:
U.S. Army Delta Force (SFOD-D)
U.S. Navy SEALs (Black Berets), Coronado, CA.
USAF Blue Light (Red Berets) Strike Force
This says they are Red Berets. I have no clue however lol.
And check out this thread there is some really good posts in there that give a lot of information.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
reply posted on 24-7-2010 @ 12:19 PM by David_Reale
reply to post by muzzleflash
Thanks, man.
And it's the same way for me. It must've been at least six or seven years since I first read about Doctor Boylan's theory on this.
[edit on 24-7-2010 by David_Reale]
Thanks, man.
And it's the same way for me. It must've been at least six or seven years since I first read about Doctor Boylan's theory on this.
[edit on 24-7-2010 by David_Reale]
reply posted on 24-7-2010 @ 12:23 PM by David_Reale
reply to post by muzzleflash
If they're red berets, then it sounds like they're Air Force Combat Controllers after all. As far as I know, besides military police, the combat controllers are the only (officially existing at least) ground combat units of the US Air Force. (But I could be wrong.) And pilots aren't really equipped to retrieve crashed UFOs in warzones.
Of course, it could also be that they use the same berets simply for the effect of confusion. And of course, paratroopers around the world are known to wear red berets.
(It reminds me of another story, of a former combat controller, CIA-pilot and supposedly assassin named Gene "Chip" Tatum, who talked a lot about the New World Order and George H.W. Bush and his cronies, but he never mentioned UFOs from what I can remember.)
Edit to add my thoughts:
After some thinking, and reading the links you posted, my theory would be that the Blue Light we're talking about have no connection with the 1970's BLue Light, which was Army Special Forces, whereas this one would be Air Force Special Operations. The only thing they have in common then would be the name (for confusion, again?).
My guess would once again be they are combat controllers, but possibly they're either "the cream of the crop" of combat controllers, or a splinter group recruiting personnel from the CCT units.
And, "charge of recovery of sensitive materials and classified aircraft when they go down", well, it sounds like something the US Air Force would had have need of. More importantly, it sounds like a good cover for a unit tasked with recovering crashed UFOs.
Edit number two:
Speculating further, I notice that the 24th Special Tactics Squadron of the United States Air Force Combat Controller Teams (doesn't exactly roll off your tongue, does it?
) is, according to Wikipedia:
[edit on 24-7-2010 by David_Reale]
If they're red berets, then it sounds like they're Air Force Combat Controllers after all. As far as I know, besides military police, the combat controllers are the only (officially existing at least) ground combat units of the US Air Force. (But I could be wrong.) And pilots aren't really equipped to retrieve crashed UFOs in warzones.
Of course, it could also be that they use the same berets simply for the effect of confusion. And of course, paratroopers around the world are known to wear red berets.
(It reminds me of another story, of a former combat controller, CIA-pilot and supposedly assassin named Gene "Chip" Tatum, who talked a lot about the New World Order and George H.W. Bush and his cronies, but he never mentioned UFOs from what I can remember.)
Edit to add my thoughts:
After some thinking, and reading the links you posted, my theory would be that the Blue Light we're talking about have no connection with the 1970's BLue Light, which was Army Special Forces, whereas this one would be Air Force Special Operations. The only thing they have in common then would be the name (for confusion, again?).
My guess would once again be they are combat controllers, but possibly they're either "the cream of the crop" of combat controllers, or a splinter group recruiting personnel from the CCT units.
And, "charge of recovery of sensitive materials and classified aircraft when they go down", well, it sounds like something the US Air Force would had have need of. More importantly, it sounds like a good cover for a unit tasked with recovering crashed UFOs.
Edit number two:
Speculating further, I notice that the 24th Special Tactics Squadron of the United States Air Force Combat Controller Teams (doesn't exactly roll off your tongue, does it?
) is, according to Wikipedia:
...among the premier Special Tactics Squadrons in the Air Force. Primarily tasked with Search and Rescue/Recovery Operations and is believed to be AFSOC's participation to the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC).
[edit on 24-7-2010 by David_Reale]
reply posted on 24-7-2010 @ 03:42 PM by David_Reale
I Wikied for a bit, and came up with who the "Blue Berets" really were and are. My memory must've failed me once more, because they weren't
medics, but rather US Air Force Security Forces.
My guess at this would be that if it's true as what I heard about blue berets, they're the ones who seal off the crash sites when it happens in the United States, and then technical/research/engineering staff take the downed UFO off to a safe place where they can research it. The Blue Berets wouldn't necessarily get to see anything in regard to the UFO - their job would just be to seal the crash site off and keep people out, while people with higher security clearance dealt with the UFO. (Presumably people from the Air Force Office of Special Intelligence.)
Meanwhile, Blue Light, theoretically mind you, would handle similar situations outside the United States, though more independently, for example in Iraq, Afghanistan, or anywhere else really, where they think they can get away with snatching a crashed UFO from local government and military forces. Specifically, my guess would be places where they can't really deploy staff with the right clearance and knowledge of UFO research to the crash site, i.e., where they're likely to get shot or blown to pieces, and where they, really, need soldiers to do the job.
At that time Blue Light would be better suited since they're elite soldiers, used to special ops, and most likely have been educated enough that they know what they're doing when recovering the UFO, so that they can do it without help from technical staff. And, most likely, they know to shut the heck up about what they see.
Mind you, this is just a theory of mine based on the rumors I've heard about Blue Beret personnel, and now Blue Light, recovering crashed UFO's. So take it for what it's worth.
Edit:
As always I still have something to add after posting. It could be that Blue Light is an entirely own unit, recruiting both from the Combat Controller Teams and the Air Force Security Forces. That would explain the occasional blue beret spotted among them (as mentioned in several interviews by UFO whistleblowers), as well as the red berets (as mentioned here on ATS) from the Combat Controller Teams.
[edit on 24-7-2010 by David_Reale]
My guess at this would be that if it's true as what I heard about blue berets, they're the ones who seal off the crash sites when it happens in the United States, and then technical/research/engineering staff take the downed UFO off to a safe place where they can research it. The Blue Berets wouldn't necessarily get to see anything in regard to the UFO - their job would just be to seal the crash site off and keep people out, while people with higher security clearance dealt with the UFO. (Presumably people from the Air Force Office of Special Intelligence.)
Meanwhile, Blue Light, theoretically mind you, would handle similar situations outside the United States, though more independently, for example in Iraq, Afghanistan, or anywhere else really, where they think they can get away with snatching a crashed UFO from local government and military forces. Specifically, my guess would be places where they can't really deploy staff with the right clearance and knowledge of UFO research to the crash site, i.e., where they're likely to get shot or blown to pieces, and where they, really, need soldiers to do the job.
At that time Blue Light would be better suited since they're elite soldiers, used to special ops, and most likely have been educated enough that they know what they're doing when recovering the UFO, so that they can do it without help from technical staff. And, most likely, they know to shut the heck up about what they see.
Mind you, this is just a theory of mine based on the rumors I've heard about Blue Beret personnel, and now Blue Light, recovering crashed UFO's. So take it for what it's worth.
Edit:
As always I still have something to add after posting. It could be that Blue Light is an entirely own unit, recruiting both from the Combat Controller Teams and the Air Force Security Forces. That would explain the occasional blue beret spotted among them (as mentioned in several interviews by UFO whistleblowers), as well as the red berets (as mentioned here on ATS) from the Combat Controller Teams.
[edit on 24-7-2010 by David_Reale]
reply posted on 25-7-2010 @ 06:29 AM by the seeker_713g
Originally posted by nanobyte
I have a question for all of you guys who are really knowledgeable regarding UFO's.
In Timothy Goode's book, "Above Top Secret" he describes a 1950's army unit called the Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit whose duty it was to retrieve crashed UFO's and the like.
It was supposedly disbanded quite sometime ago, but of course UFO phenomena still take place and someone is bound to be investigating them.
Does anyone know what unit, division or military branch would be handling that? I would be curious to hear both conjecture and what you may believe to be fact.
I would suggest contact ATS's own Clifford Stone, if he is available; by his own admission, he alledgely participated in recovery teams.
Here is a link to Cliff's thread...www.abovetopsecret.com...
I have also heard the rumor that anything UFO or e t related is actually handled by the U S Navy, since it deals with the "ocean" of space.
Just my musings...
seeker
reply posted on 25-7-2010 @ 11:08 PM by SupremeKnowledge
I think its the "Naval Space Command"
10 seconds into this video and you will see it
picture of logo
more info
www.thelivingmoon.com...
It makes perfect sense,
The navy has experience operating huge ships and submarines with hundreds men and women on board,
So they wouldnt have a problem operating a huge spaceship/ mothership
As for clean-up and retrieval of crashed ships,
Im thinking "Navy Seals" or a branch off of the "Navy Seals"
[edit on 25-7-2010 by SupremeKnowledge]
10 seconds into this video and you will see it
picture of logo
more info
www.thelivingmoon.com...
It makes perfect sense,
The navy has experience operating huge ships and submarines with hundreds men and women on board,
So they wouldnt have a problem operating a huge spaceship/ mothership
As for clean-up and retrieval of crashed ships,
Im thinking "Navy Seals" or a branch off of the "Navy Seals"
[edit on 25-7-2010 by SupremeKnowledge]
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