Revelation: 4th Bowl Prophecy Happening Now?

I just read on another thread about the extent of the fires in Russia. According to the google earth map, much of the country is on fire.

The Fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun. The sun was given power to burn the people with FIRE.

If this is a part of this prophecy, then the fire would have to have been caused by heat from the sun somehow. But I can see how Russia could fit in with this particular prophecy

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It's too early to be in the bowl judgments by now. But there are a series of events to watch though. Daniel 8 and 11. Fulfilled once but there is a problem. Some bible prophesies repeat. And the first events of the end times of Daniel have a consortium of middle east nations attacking a nation to the west. Then that nation attacks back and destroys 2 of them. Then "Persia" is destroyed which is modern day Iran.
Those events are followed by a time that Jesus Christ may have referred to in Matthew 24 as the days of the tribulation of the carcass. Then the nation from the west is broken into 4 nations afterwards which leads to the agreement of Daniel 9-27 and 11-6.

The major problems here is what events corresponded to the the trumpet judgments? And the seals? And the thunders BTW.

Still a bit too early.

Here is something I thought of concerning the Judgments.

I know many of you say you don't believe that the bowl prophecies are happening now. You think it may be too soon. But I thought of a scenerio that could be happening if we were in the bowl judgements. Just think for a moment of the possiblility.

Say the fourth bowl judgment was taking place now and that is why there is so much heat in the U.S. and fires in Russia. The sun will burn them with a great heat and fire. Lets consider than that the next bowl #5 will be total darkness.

Now wouldn't the darkness be a good time for the rapture? I've often thought about how the rapture could take place if non believers could actually see it happen. But what if they couldn't see it happen? Also it would be a good time for war due to the cover of darkness.

Then the sixth angel pours out its bowl on the river Euphrates and it dries up to make way for the kings of the east. This could mean that WW3 will start. So it makes sense that the Christians would be raptured. It even states this after the sixth bowl which to me signifies the rapture, then WW3. Read the Bible passage below:

"Listen! I will come as a thief comes! Happy is the person who stays awake and keeps his clothes with him. Then he will not have to go without clothes and be ashamed because he is naked. Then the evil spirts gather the kings togeather to the place that is called Armageddon in the Hebrew language".

I know we are not supposed to know the hour or day, but we can guess the timeframe just from the passages above and the current wordly events.


Do you realize how close all of this could be?

fourth bowl-now
Fifth bowl-rapture
sixth bowl, WW3- Armageddon

We could assume that the second bowl was poured out in early april which we could say was the oil spill.

We could assume that the third bowl was poured out in July, Michigan oil spill.

3 month time span

That could mean that the next bowl will be poured out in October, possibly the rapture and the start of WW3.

That's how close it all could be. Just something to think about.

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The bowl judgements are NOT happening at the time. It is not happening.
If it was, then we would be in the second half of the 7 year tribulation
period. The Antichrist would be in full control of the planet. The 7 Seals,
and the 7 Trumpet judgements have to happen before any Bowl
Judgements. And before the Seals and Trumpet judgements, the
Rapture has to have already happened, and it hasn't yet.

We may be having a lot of weird and strange things going on on this
planet with the weather, climate, earthquakes, volcanos and other
disastrous things, but believe me, or don't believe me, you will see for
yourself oneday, that this is absolutely NOTHING campared to when
the real judgements occur. And if you have accepted Christ as your
Lord and Savior, you won't have to endure ANY of the judgements or
the seven year tribulation times. When the seven bowl judgements are
occuring, the antichrist will already be forcing people left on earth to
take the mark of the beast, or, 666 on your hand or forehead to identify
the followers of the beast. So please relax a little and try to realize that
the Tribulation period is not upon us. It will be a horrific and terrifying time
when it all comes together.

reply to post by endtimer


I was just thinking outside of the Christian box. The Bible doesn't state that there will be a rapture until after the sixth bowl or sixth trumpet. I used to believe what you believe but I had to go with what is written in black and white on the pages of the Bible. We could very well be on our way. And I am not uptight about it. I am happy that I will be going home soon, as you should be.

Originally posted by endtimer
but believe me, or don't believe me, you will see for
yourself oneday, that this is absolutely NOTHING campared to when
the real judgements occur... So please relax a little and try to realize that
the Tribulation period is not upon us. It will be a horrific and terrifying time
when it all comes together.

I do have to agree with endtimer on this one, I must admit.
The events happening in Revelation have the effect of pulling the world apart.
I'm sure we're not there yet.

Originally posted by prophecywatcher
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I was just thinking outside of the Christian box. The Bible doesn't state that there will be a rapture until after the sixth bowl or sixth trumpet. I used to believe what you believe but I had to go with what is written in black and white on the pages of the Bible. We could very well be on our way. And I am not uptight about it. I am happy that I will be going home soon, as you should be.

The reason I am a pre-tribulation believer is because the Bible clearly
states that no one will know when the Rapture will occur, not the Angels
in Heaven, not even Jesus. If a post tribulation Rapture is to occur,
then it would be very easy to pinpoint the time. After the seven year
period, the Rapture could happen the very next day, or a week later, etc.
It clearly states we are not to speculate or worry or try to define that
exact time, and we would be doing so with a post-tribulation belief.
This is my belief of course, and everyone has their own ideas, but most
Biblical scholars believe in a pre-trib situation. It is thought that around
85% of people that really study the Bible, believe in the Rapture happening
just before the Tribulation period of 7 years starts. However one believes,
or doesn't believe, EVERYONE will know for sure one day.

reply to post by DISRAELI


The world seems to be falling apart right now. I honestly don't see how it can get much worse, especially before a major war breaks out.

The probability of a major war breaking out yet this year is very high.

Originally posted by endtimer
The bowl judgements are NOT happening at the time. It is not happening.
If it was, then we would be in the second half of the 7 year tribulation
period. The Antichrist would be in full control of the planet. The 7 Seals,
and the 7 Trumpet judgements have to happen before any Bowl
Judgements. And before the Seals and Trumpet judgements, the
Rapture has to have already happened, and it hasn't yet.

Sir, have you been made aware of this possibility:

The July 22nd Total Solar Eclipse and the Riddle of 2012

reply to post by prophecywatcher

I think the world has the potential for getting much, much worse than it is now.
Have we reached the stage where the sea becomes in its totality like the blood of a dead man, and every living thing in it dies?
We have a long way to go yet, it seems to me.

Originally posted by Student X

Originally posted by endtimer
The bowl judgements are NOT happening at the time. It is not happening.
If it was, then we would be in the second half of the 7 year tribulation
period. The Antichrist would be in full control of the planet. The 7 Seals,
and the 7 Trumpet judgements have to happen before any Bowl
Judgements. And before the Seals and Trumpet judgements, the
Rapture has to have already happened, and it hasn't yet.

Sir, have you been made aware of this possibility:

The July 22nd Total Solar Eclipse and the Riddle of 2012

Yes, I am totally aware of all of that. What is the point in your question?
I don't see any correlation at all. The total eclipse and 2012 have nothing to
do with the 4th Bowl judgement or ANY of Tribulation. I don't see your
point at all.

reply to post by Student X


Thanks for that link. That makes perfect sense because as the Bible says 4 demons will go out and enter into various world leaders to cause war. So I'm sure that a leader would be incarned as the antichrist in the same way. The world is certainly ripe.

reply to post by DISRAELI


I'm not trying to disagree with you, but its a possibility that we could be farther along that what you might think. Its possible that these prophecies were ment as warnings up unto the rapture and are milder than originally thought. They could also esculate after the rapture and during the time of war to Biblical proportions. Its a possibility.

reply to post by prophecywatcher

OK, do you have someone in mind to be the Beast?
Because I think endtimer is right about the Mark of the Beast as well.
I see the trumpets/bowls as what God does to destroy the kingdom of the Beast.
(although the Rapture idea doesn't come into my thinking, so I leave that aside)



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Sure, he is the leader of the nation with the most powerful military on earth. Where else would he want to be?

Did you intentionally set me up with that question?

Just kidding. It makes a great conversation piece, don't you think?

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another words, I believe he is in power now but keeping low profile so as to continue fooling the masses into a global conspiracy submission. It seems to be working so far.

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The antichrist will first sign a 7 year treaty between Israel and the rest of
the world. The antichrist will seem like such a global leader, that everyone
will be falling at his feet. After 3 1/2 years go by, the antichrist will show
his true colors and everyone will then know who the antichrist really
is. He will break the treaty with Israel and do horrific things against them
and the rest of the world. The only way to survive during this time is to
take the mark of the beast. Once you do though, there is no turning back
or changing your mind. It is totally irreversible. All of this happens during
the seven year Tribulation poeriod.

And to those who think the earth is in such turmoil and distress and
terrible things going on, you are right in that respect. But wait until the
actual 7 seals, 7 trumpets and 7 bowls are dealt before the earth. What
we are experiencing at the moment will seem like a sunday afternoon
picnic when these events unfold. All I can say is be prepared and make
peace with God, because it will soon slap everyone in the face really hard.

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O.K. I can believe what you are saying. Then these are just mini warnings of what is to come. But how long can these mini warnings continue? 2 years, 4 years, 20 years? Then time will just continue as it is and people will just keep rebuilding, starting over and moving on.

When you say the time is going to be soon, I can agree with that.

But one thing I do believe, there is either going to be a full blown war say within a couple of months or a peace treaty will be signed to stop it.

I'm open to any possibility.

Originally posted by endtimer
But wait until the actual 7 seals, 7 trumpets and 7 bowls are dealt before the earth.

What form do you think it will take? I mean, do you expect to see angels in the sky breaking seals and blowing trumpets and pouring bowls?