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Atheists angry that Masons are invited to their summit with the EU

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posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 07:54 PM
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This one struck me as odd as well. The EU is holding a summit with Atheists and Freemasons in order to balance out their yearly meeting with religious leaders.

The Atheists are calling foul because the Masons "retain all sorts of religious gobbledygook".


EU to hold atheist and freemason summit

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - Brussels is to hold an EU summit with atheists and freemasons in the autumn, inviting them to a political dialogue parallel to the annual summit the bloc holds with Europe's religious leaders.

While the EU is a secular body, the three European presidents, of the commission, parliament and EU Council, alongside two commissioners, on Monday met with 24 bishops, chief rabbis, and muftis as well as leaders from the Hindu and Sikh communities. The annual dialogue, which has taken place since 2005, is for the first time this year made legally obligatory under Article 17 of the Lisbon Treaty.

Under pressure from Belgium, which constitutionally protects and financially supports humanist organisations as well as churches, the EU has been forced to hold a mirror-image summit, but of atheists, scheduled for 15 October.

However, in a move that perplexed and annoyed humanist groups, the EU atheist summit will also welcome under the rubric of ‘non-religious groups', the Freemasons, the secretive fraternal organisation, according to commission spokeswoman Katharina von Schnurbein.

"I find it rather odd," David Pollock, president of the European Humanist Federation, told EUobserver. "Some of the Grand Lodges are secularist organisations, and strongly for separation of church and state, but they also retain all sorts of gobbledygook and myths such as the Great Architect of the Universe."

Read more: EU Observer



It should be interesting to see how this plays out. It seems that continental Masonry is much more Atheist than the variety we have here in the states but, they still practice their pseudo-religious ceremonies inside the lodge.

This could make for one awkward meeting.



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posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 08:06 PM
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I'm utterly speechless. It's not shocking, but I have no clue how to respond to this... I'm just



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 08:11 PM
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I thought this story was very odd. I know there are plenty of Masons who post here on ATS and I was hoping to get their feedback on this one.

How do they feel about being lumped in with the Atheists and do they think it's appropriate?



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by time91
I'm utterly speechless. It's not shocking, but I have no clue how to respond to this... I'm just


You mean webbot didn't predict this? What if time can be altered and what if, just what if, Swiss Army Knife, Tootsie-Pop, 9:11, desktop fan?



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 08:20 PM
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Well , if the atheist have ever seen a good N.W.O documentary then they will see it's the masons who control the world , from behind the scenes of course . upon learning that , the atheists will , if there smart , back off and go back to picking on the Christians


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posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 08:25 PM
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hahahahaha....What?



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 08:31 PM
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Originally posted by time91
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hahahahaha....What?


It's just a theory man, about why this is all happening. Don't discount it until you've understood every point, mulled it over and done some of your own research. Do you want to wake up or stay asleep like the masses of MSM gluttons?



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by FortAnthem
How do they feel about being lumped in with the Atheists and do they think it's appropriate?


I think the whole premise of the meeting is a bit silly. The entire thing smacks of overly ridiculous political correctness; invite everyone lest we offend anyone.



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 08:37 PM
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Speaking of silly , this isn't the same group of atheists that used a blow dryer to debaptize them selves is it ?


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posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

I think the whole premise of the meeting is a bit silly. The entire thing smacks of overly ridiculous political correctness; invite everyone lest we offend anyone.


I agree, meetings like this are nothing but dog & poney shows. They make a show of listening to the groups they are meeting with then go back to business as usual.


I'm suprised the Masons would even bother to attend a silly spectical like that one.

Why bother meeting with the leaders when they really pull the strings behind the scenes anyway? At least that's what I read on some crazy conspiracy site somewhere.





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posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 10:51 PM
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If they are looking for religious leaders, why would they invite athiests at all?
Athieism is not a religion it is a state of mind.
Unless they believe in the sacred (Nothing) and if they did that would mean they believe in a supreme being still, even though it may be nothing.
I guess I just can't comprehend athiests and their silly ideas.



posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 10:57 PM
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If they are looking for religious leaders, why would they invite athiests at all?



The intent is to balance out the meeting with the religious leaders with a meeting with groups who have the opposite philosophy to those with religion. (I explained that badly but, oh well)

Trying to balance things out I guess.

The Atheists are ticked off because the Masons were invited to their party. They say Masons are too religious and don't belong with them.



posted on Jul, 22 2010 @ 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by FortAnthem

It seems that continental Masonry is much more Atheist than the variety we have here in the states but, they still practice their pseudo-religious ceremonies inside the lodge.



There are pseudo-masonic groups, both in the United States and in Europe, that have atheists as members. However, legitimate Freemasonry, including European Masonry, is not atheistic, and all Masons believe in the existence of God.



posted on Jul, 22 2010 @ 01:03 PM
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OK, here is a question. How does anybody contact "the atheists"? For that matter, who would represent freemasonry? the grand lodge, the closets lodge to the meeting site?

Atheists are not an organized group as far as I know.
And masons are not controlled by a central governing body aside from that individual states grand lodge. (in the US that is) I am not sure how the structure works in the UK. Any help on that?



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posted on Jul, 22 2010 @ 01:22 PM
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What confuses me is why they would bring in a group of Masons with a group of Athiests. I seem to remember having to express a belief in a supreme being when I went through my initiation, and that was only 2 months ago. Last I checked all masons believe in a diety, and generally subscrible to one religion or another. I know the majority of members in my lodge are christian but that is common for the majority of lodges in Canada. So why group religous men in with the athiests?

Of course seeing as the Masons attending would be there on masonic business (of a kind I suppose) they would likely refrain from any religous dialogue as we dont discuss that with one another in the lodge, so I dont see why they would do so there. Also we dont discuss politics either so it baffles me why Masons as a group would involve themselves in it.

There are 2 things that drive men apart, Religion and Politics and as masons we know this, and it is for that reason those 2 topics are fobidden at lodge.



posted on Jul, 22 2010 @ 01:26 PM
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I just want to know one thing. Did the ancient Knights Templar secret away with artifacts from their mideast conquests that would prove once and for all that the Gods in the ancient writings were not just myths but indeed real beings. Do they conceal proof of ancient high technology?



posted on Jul, 22 2010 @ 01:35 PM
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We can hardly organize a BBQ or Golf tourney, trust no mason in any lodge is going to know that!

But you answer you question..... oh what the hell, sure and big foot carried the big stuff.

Seriously though, I love history especially Templar history, I personally think it entirely possible that the Templar knights did indeed find something of great signifigance under the temple, I however have no idea what it was or where it is now.



posted on Jul, 22 2010 @ 01:39 PM
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Athieists are the most disorganized group in the world so how would you reach out to them?

I don't know of any athiest secret societies but maybe I am wrong.



posted on Jul, 22 2010 @ 01:45 PM
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A fight between atheists and Masons doesn't involve me directly, but I can't help wondering...
Did the atheists explain how exactly they thought they were going to be disadvantaged by having Masons at the same meeting?



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