Obama, Sherrod and Beck, Oh My!

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


It's a desire to see this country come together. Is viewing the world through a cut and dried Left or Right lens any more reasonable?

You have ignored that I did my homework and did not vote for him.

I'd like to get back on topic, which is the in your face hypocrisy of this Administration and how the Sherrod story is proof of that.

What are your feelings on that issue?

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reply to post by Hudson


I don't know what to say. I watched what I watched and they were reporting wrong at first. I don't record everything I watch but my memory for detail is not that bad.

Do you have anything to say about the topic instead of discussing the news networks? I have no intention of getting into an off topic argument, meaningless to the topic.

Again, my point was the fact they threw this innocent woman under the bus just because they thought it would be on Beck. While at the same time, they have people like Holder who are patently Racists in nature and perhaps anti-American and anti-Capitalism at their core.

most missed the point that the story was to show the REACTION of the crowd at the NAACP when she was telling her story of the process in which she was able to overcome her own racialist feelings... i think its time to shine a bright light on the NAACP and other black organization's

reply to post by Blaine91555


Well, I hate to say it, but I told my bosses out in California back during the propaganda mill that I hoped Obama would get elected. They freaked of course, until I told them why.

Look at the things happening.

The healthcare bill had things buried in it that will destroy the country.
The financial bill now has given the Treasury dept and Federal Reserve enormous powers.
The UNLAWFUL redistribution of the stock in the GM takeover by the government.

This country is going to implode. There is no stopping it. If McCain would have been elected, nothing would have got done just a slower death.

Even with all this, when the Repubs take control of the House and the Senate possibly, nothing will get done whatsoever. The Marxist/Progressive infiltrators will attempt to maintain control this time. Watch. They have failed again to convince the idiots Communism is the way to go.

That is why I am a Libertarian, about the only thing I do not like is the open borders on their platform. Government out of my life and everyone elses, period.

Thanks for the thread, I was hoping someone would set the record straight.

I find it hilarious that the propagandists are attempting to deflect the blatant racism in the NAACP crowd. Laughable.

Oh, one other thing, what the hell is up with a name like Ben Jealous. That is almost as bad as a woman named Mary, marrying a man with a last name Christmas, that is NO joke. Google it.

I've said from the start on all the threads I've commented on this issue that the White House reaction was speedy, and I'm pretty sure Rahmbo would call this a crisis/opportunity wasted.

Much as the original videotape was incomplete without context the whitehouse reaction deserves a little context as well. Race has been flung around by both sides of late.Over a short period of time you have: The holder DoJ refusing to prosecute the New Black Panthers for voter intimidation, the NAACP- Tea party feud, and on the very same day this video appeared the Jurnolist transcripts appearing. The Whitehouse was evidently concerned that it and it's allies were losing in the poo flinging and could not afford to have the Sherrod video hitting the news cycle at the same time as the proof that Obama allies in the media were perfectly willing to use accusations of racism to deflect attention from a threat to their man

Brietbart handed the left, on a silver platter no less, something that had the WH not been so sensitive, could have really harmed the conservative media.

Strangely, the one who at first glance seemed to be the one harmed the most, is the one most likely to benefit from the story. I find that pleasantly ironic. I do hope that she is able to use this situation as a bridge or way to bring us all closer together.

Brietbart, NAACP, and the White House are the big losers in this, all deservedly so.

There is more to this then meets the eye, yesterday I was on her side, now I am wondering what the heck is going on,

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Tom Blumer writes about the Pigford case.

An announcement of Ms. Sherrod's July 2009 appointment to her USDA position at ruraldevelopment.org gives off quite a few clues:

RDLN Graduate and Board Vice Chair Shirley Sherrod was appointed Georgia Director for Rural Development by Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack on July 25. Only days earlier, she learned that New Communities, a group she founded with her husband and other families (see below) has won a thirteen million dollar settlement in the minority farmers law suit Pigford vs Vilsack.

What?

The news that follows at the link, which appears to pre-date the announcement of Ms. Sherrod's appointment, provides further details:

Minority Farm Settlement

Justice Achieved - Congratulations to Shirley and Charles Sherrod!

We have wonderful news regarding the case of New Communities, Inc., the land trust that Shirley and Charles Sherrod established, with other black farm families in the 1960's. At the time, with holdings of almost 6,000 acres, this was the largest tract of black-owned land in the country.

... Over the years, USDA refused to provide loans for farming or irrigation and would not allow New Communities to restructure its loans. Gradually, the group had to fight just to hold on to the land and finally had to wind down operations.

... The cash (settlement) award acknowledges racial discrimination on the part of the U.S. Department of Agriculture for the years 1981-85. ... New Communities is due to receive approximately $13 million ($8,247,560 for loss of land and $4,241,602 for loss of income; plus $150,000 each to Shirley and Charles for pain and suffering). There may also be an unspecified amount in forgiveness of debt. This is the largest award so far in the minority farmers law suit (Pigford vs Vilsack).

The Pigford matter goes back a long way, and to say the least has a checkered history, as this May 27, 2010 item at Agri-Pulse demonstrates (bolds are mine):

As part of a April 14, 1999 class action case settlement, commonly known as the Pigford case, U.S. taxpayers have already provided over $1 billion in cash, non-credit awards and debt relief to almost 16,000 black farmers who claimed that they were discriminated against by USDA officials as they “farmed or attempted to farm.” In addition, USDA’s Farm Service Agency spent over $166 million on salaries and expenses on this case from 1999-2009, according to agency records.

Members of Congress may approve another $1.15 billion this week to settle cases from what some estimate may be an additional 80,000 African-Americans who have also claimed to have been discriminated against by USDA staff.

... Settling this case is clearly a priority for the White House and USDA. Secretary Vilsack described the funding agreement reached between the Administration and advocates for black farmers early this year as “an important milestone in putting these discriminatory claims behind us for good and in achieving finality for this group of farmers with longstanding grievances."

However, confronted with the skyrocketing federal deficit, more officials are taking a critical look at the billion dollars spent thus far and wondering when these discrimination cases will ever end. Already, the number of people who have been paid and are still seeking payment will likely exceed the 26,785 black farmers who were considered to even be operating back in 1997, according to USDA. That’s the year the case initially began as Pigford v. (then Agriculture Secretary) Glickman and sources predicted that, at most, 3,000 might qualify.

At least one source who is extremely familiar with the issue and who asked to remain anonymous because of potential retribution, says there are a number of legitimate cases who have long been denied their payments and will benefit from the additional funding. But many more appear to have been solicited in an attempt to “game” the Pigford system. (emphasis mine)

This must-read story also reveals that Ms. Sherrod’s husband is a former honcho in the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee back in the 1960’s. You can read more about it in Bill Ayers book “Fugitive Days.” Yes, that Bill Ayers. He was involved in SNCC as well.

She is not just anybody,

Then she says, of FOX

"I think they should but they won't. They intended exactly what they did. "They were looking for the result they got yesterday," she said of Fox. "I am just a pawn. I was just here. They are after a bigger thing, they would love to take us back to where we were many years ago.

Back to where black people were looking down, not looking white folks in the face, not being able to compete for a job out there and not be a whole person."

She is not who I thought she was because this is disingenuous.

I smell a rat.

reply to post by Stormdancer777


I'm gonna hold my judgment on Sherrod's connection to the Pigford case until I have a better understanding of it. I'm sure if there is any impropriety on her part there the right wing media will dig it up, present it in the most simple and inflamatory manner posibleand then after disecting it, I'll be able to have an informed opinion on it. I've been aware of that angle since early yesterday, and I'm holding any judgment til I know more.

Right now I'm basing my feelings about her on both the evidence I've seen and my gut. Mrs. Sherrod is from the same part of the world as I am. I feel as though I am better able to tell when someone who sounds like people I deal with every day is spouting a line of crap. That unquantifiable quality and the fact that she lashed back at both Fox/Brietbart, the NAACP, and the administration as well as acknowledging that the NAACP-Tea Party spat is causal gives her more credibility than your average party shill.


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reply to post by 2012DragonSlayer


I have no doubt you are right. I've read the whole thing and its obvious she had a very good message. They refuse to condemn the New Black Panthers as a group and protect them but they back the firing of a woman who is trying to bring us together. Horrible.

reply to post by endisnighe


No comment on the name.

Its hard to know where to turn or who to vote for as it seems it just does not matter. No matter who gets in they are so corrupt its a loosing battle.

I should be fair though. I'm sure their are good people in office, but they are not controversial so we don't know who they are.

Originally posted by Hudson
You're mistaken. Post a clip or something. MSNBC showed the clip around 7am EST on morning Joe. I didn't see it on Fox until 8PM EST.

Did you happen to notice that when Morning Joe was showing it at 7am, the referred to Bill Oreilly talking about it the night before?

reply to post by Stormdancer777


Thank you very much for your post

This smells like back door Restitution. But I'm torn on this. If the discrimination were true, the settlement may be deserved and can we actually link the other monies with this individual case? Leaves me wondering?

It also makes me wonder if this was a setup aimed at Beck that backfired on them?

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reply to post by Adevoc Satanae


Yes, I think what happened is you saw it for the first time the next day. The same day it was on O'Reilly is the day I'm referring to. It had been mentioned a couple of times earlier.

reply to post by jefwane


It could be the other way however. A carefully planned scenario that backfired when Beck did not jump on it?

No matter how we frame this, one thing is for sure; this is a divisive Administration that was assembled seemingly to tear us apart and put us back together in their radical image.

I thought this Alinsky stuff was rubbish and overblown, but now I don't know.

Being an old Hippie myself, turned moderate conservative as I matured, I know they exaggerated the number of us who were on the Alinsky train. Most of us were just after Peace and had no interest in that political insanity. People like the Weather Underground were actually outcasts and they have rewritten the history.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by Adevoc Satanae

 

Yes, I think what happened is you saw it for the first time the next day. The same day it was on O'Reilly is the day I'm referring to. It had been mentioned a couple of times earlier.

Yup. As far as I can tell, blonde Fox newsgirl broke the story. Oreilly talked about it, Hannity talked about it, then Morning Joe talked about it.

Anyone reading this might have an interest in this other thread on ATS. It's related I think, in that this Adminstration has a clearly unacceptable amount of control over too much of the Media.

Wheels within wheels. How deep down the rabbit hole does this go.

This was a racial political assassanation....plain and simple. No explanation, no due process...just resign before it gets to Glenn Beck.

Leave the Black Panthers alone, stand behind Van Jones to the bitter end, but dammit we got to nail this little old lady recounting a 24 year old story.

Acting stupidly? Much?

reply to post by Carseller4


Nice short way to get a point across. I like it.

If this is true and I am assuming it is, really shows how truely WEAK the Obama admin is.

To fire someone over the Beck circus, that is laughable.

Everyone who has two brain cells that are firing knows Beck is a liar and a shill. Seriously is that nut still on TV.

Several years ago I was at a friends house and saw his little dog and pony show. Never watched him again.

However, I did see the clips of him ridiculing and mocking the families that had lost relatives in 9-11. His disrepectful attitude was deplorable.

And Obama is going to fire someone because they may appear on this fools show.

Weak, Weak, Weak

More political suicide from the Obama administration.
Remember to vote republican next election folks.