Hidden Cameras on the Arizona Border

reply to post by guohua


Yea, that's proof positive

They should just tell you where to go and what to do with yourself when you get there.

So what do we do with the illegal immigrants that commit crime on Americans?
Throw the vic in jail?
Like that 87 year old dude the other day.


www.rense.com...
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reply to post by whatukno


Now which one are you, I mean, either you don't have a job like most Marxist and stay on ATS all hours or your at work and don't do any work, or your what most of us think you are, Working for Obama, your a Raving Left Wing Whining, Crying Liberal, that either bows to Obama every day or works out of his dis-info office there in WA.D.C

Nobody could be so dumb as to believe Illegals give something back and commit no crimes.

Learn our language, don't be angry when I don't speak your language in My Country, Get a visa or Green Card and look me in the eyes when I talk to you.
That's all I ask. YES, I'm not afraid of an illegal being angry with me, I don't lose any sleep thinking you and your Liberals there in the W.H. are upset and crying about my treatment of the illegal, I know you want your Savior Obama and all his Black Panther Friends and his Socialist friends to be running our Country for years to come.
I'll be the first to tell ya, That Will Not Happen. YOU, Need To Find Another Job. By 2012, you'll be out of work.
So, Peddle your your whiny, Love all people, open borders and sanctuary city sh$t to some one who cares, i don't.

[edit on 17-7-2010 by guohua]

reply to post by guohua


You have no idea about me, who I am, and what I do, but let me clue you in.

I work a full time job at a really really crappy hotel near Detroit. I work at night, so I don't see a whole lot of people. So for the most part, I do get to play on ATS a lot. Born to two American parents right here in Michigan.

That's when I get to talk to self appointed gestapo agents like you, who go around and harass minorities because they don't speak English, well guess what Adolf! English is not the official language of this country, fact is, there is no official language of this country. People aren't required to speak English. And they certainly ain't required to give you their papers on demand!

I do think there should be something done about the border situation, I just think your Nazi like tactics can go take a flying leap. I do support sanctuary cities just to get human beings away from scum like you. No one deserves the kind of crap you have been pulling, and that ain't America.

You want to punish and even kill illegals but you wouldn't dare to go up against the corporations that hire them for slave wages, you won't dare go up against the slum lords that rip them off for sub standard housing. You won't dare go up against the drug dealers and users that prey on these people. You want to attack the symptom and not the problem. Why? Because you are weak, you are a coward, and you are filth.

People like you disgust me. Your constant endless rants against illegals in nearly every thread you make show exactly the kind of person you are and the agenda you are pushing.



John Tanton

You are pushing the agenda of white supremacists and Neo-Nazi's you personally may not actually be racist, but the agenda you are pushing sure as hell is.

FAIR, CIS and NumbersUSA are all part of a network of restrictionist organizations conceived and created by John Tanton, the “puppeteer” of the nativist movement and a man with deep racist roots. As the first article in this report shows, Tanton has for decades been at the heart of the white nationalist scene. He has met with leading white supremacists, promoted anti-Semitic ideas, and associated closely with the leaders of a eugenicist foundation once described by a leading newspaper as a “neo-Nazi organization.” He has made a series of racist statements about Latinos and worried that they were outbreeding whites. At one point, he wrote candidly that to maintain American culture, “a European-American majority” is required.

www.splcenter.org...

While I don't generally agree with the SPLC on many issues, I think they got this one right.

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reply to post by whatukno


Well, your stategy of entitlements, handing out flowers and hugs, and practically every other form of asinine tactics hasn't seem to have worked now has it?
Unless this is your goal.

reply to post by Marrr


What are you talking about? Do you even have a point?

post by Marrr

If there is an armed band claiming hilltop looksites to observe, why don't some of you Arizonans go up there and take back the damn land?
Once they fire on you, unless I'm mistaken, allows you the right to dispatch the life/lives that are threatening your life.

Oh wait, I get it, your one of those "kill em all and that will solve it" genocide people. I see, well, like I have said to others, take that crap to Stormfront where it belongs.

Maybe instead of blindly criticizing me, you can take a look at what I think are viable solutions to the problem, might make you look less like an ass.

here

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Lucky I am not in charge, I would just sell AZ to Mexico, nothing good in that state anyway. Just a red state full of skinhead racists who love nothing more than to post their hate on sites like this nearly every single day and try and disguise it as concern for their country.

Well, that was pretty racist. Hello kettle...meet the pot?

Originally posted by sdcigarpig
But they do vote, and have in the past. With every election, after they go in and look, the federal authorities are finding more and more cases where the outcome of an election the winner won by votes from illegale immigrants. This is from not only the local and state goverments, but also the federal government.
In 2005, the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that up to 3 percent of the 30,000 individuals called for jury duty from voter registration rolls over a two-year period in just one U.S. district court were not U.S. citizens. While that may not seem like many, just 3 percent of registered voters would have been more than enough to provide the winning presiden­tial vote margin in Florida in 2000. Indeed, the Cen­sus Bureau estimates that there are over a million illegal aliens in Florida, and the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) has prosecuted more non-citizen voting cases in Florida than in any other state.
Now it is against the federal law of the United States of America, for any illegale immigrant to vote in any election.

I'm a little suprised no one has asked this of you yet, but...do you have any source information on that?

But there are a few questions that I have, that are not asked. Where is the EPA? If the illegale immigrants are doing that much damage to a national park, endangering the environment, why is the EPA not involved in this, putting pressure on the government to put a halt to such?

I believe the Department of the Interior and the National Park Service deals with issues within national parks...not the Environmental Protection Agency.

reply to post by whatukno


What is your GD DEAL? It seems you make it an absolute point to vehemontly insult anyone that disagrees with you.
I can handle criticism and most other things, but you going around calling people asses, white supremicists, genocidal maniacs. Man, you need to chill tf out.
Your catagorizations and assumptions, accusations, and judgements you've levied against your opponents are far off the mark as well.

reply to post by whatukno


I posted this in the other thread. My comment was meant for here and goes as follows...

Your 4 step program has validity to it. However, you do realise there is a snowballs chance in Hell of even one of those being implemented.

reply to post by Marrr


See, the problem here is, when you insult me with things like...

your stategy of entitlements, handing out flowers and hugs, and practically every other form of asinine tactics hasn't seem to have worked now has it?

I respond in kind, if you can't take it, don't dish it out. If you want to address me in a more civil and respectful way, ill respond in kind as well.

The fact is, many of the people that are responding to these threads are directly using the playbook of white supremacist groups. A lot of the rhetoric that is being spewed comes from these groups.

Don't you think it's time that all ATS members start rebuking these ideas? Don't you think that this site would be a lot better if people weren't here who in nearly every thread they make spouted the ideals of these hate groups?

Sure, they try and be subtle, but all you have to do is copy & paste what they say in a search engine and you come up with exactly where they are getting this crap.

Sorry if I sound harsh, but I REALLY don't like racists. I don't like the way many on the Right want to deal with this issue, I think it's the wrong approach. I don't like how the white supremacist agenda is being fed to the gullible masses. They are manipulating people subtly, these groups are turning good people bad.

So yes, I will be nasty to these people and their ideas, especially when it seems like nearly every single thread a member spouts off about the evil illegals destroying this country. How this person is proud to talk about how he passes out maps to Mexico to people he believes are illegal. How this member is trying to brainwash people on this site into a hate filled way of life.

Yes I will be mean to these people and their ideas.

Originally posted by Night Star
reply to post by ExPostFacto

 

How lovely.

When will this crap end? Things seem to get worse instead of any better.

It will never end, unless we stop the need for drugs here in the United States. As long as there is a need here in the States someone will always be willing to risk life and limb to make a profit off of it.

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reply to post by whatukno

Maybe instead of blindly criticizing me, you can take a look at what I think are viable solutions to the problem, might make you look less like an ass.

The problem is, your solutions are just old solutions with new names, that will not stop the flow of illegals. It will simply give another 12 million incentive to come! How can you not see that?

Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by guohua

 

I will when a Black person or a White person is found by me to be illegal, I will make a map showing them the way home. I'm not shy, You fail to realize, I don't give a Rats A$$ if their from Bum F@@k Any Place. You are to lazy to get a passport and visa, you can leave and not come back, Take your rugs rats with you.

So you are the foremost expert on who is legal and who isn't?

Man, maybe you should get a job with the INS! They need people like you that can spot an illegal without the need for identification.

That sure is one hell of a talent this man has. I think every law enforcement officer in the state of Arizona has this skill as well, its how they keep from racially profiling people. Classy folks!

Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by groingrinder

 

illegals cannot vote and they do not vote that is just more right wing FOX News Propaganda your spouting. It's complete and total bull crap and you can't prove it.

Wish you are right on that, but very unfortunately you are wrong.

google search results

reply to post by centurion1211


WOW centurion1211, My Friend, You beat me to that posting.
That's Cool Though.
Why do these Liberal Kool Aide drinkers think we would not be-able to back up a statement that as been in the news and ARON has been called on the carpet for.

Are they All Stupid or do they only believe what the Saviors news sources feed them? OK, You're right, they would believe the world is flat if Obama said so.

reply to post by centurion1211


I still believe that it is you, who is wrong. I found nothing in your 'google search results' that indicated that illegal aliens were actually voting. The only site, fairus.org, that indicated such simply redirected me to it's 'references', the articles it referenced aren't online so there's no easy way to verify that or not.

The assumption your basing your argument on is that illegal aliens are voting and because of that democrats are winning. It's wrong, it's wrong and it's wrong.

Find me one shred of a news article or court ruling that found that an illegal alien actually cast a vote and impacted the result of an election. Google search results don't count.

Originally posted by links234
reply to post by centurion1211

 

I still believe that it is you, who is wrong. I found nothing in your 'google search results' that indicated that illegal aliens were actually voting. The only site, fairus.org, that indicated such simply redirected me to it's 'references', the articles it referenced aren't online so there's no easy way to verify that or not.

The assumption your basing your argument on is that illegal aliens are voting and because of that democrats are winning. It's wrong, it's wrong and it's wrong.

Find me one shred of a news article or court ruling that found that an illegal alien actually cast a vote and impacted the result of an election. Google search results don't count.

I guess you can't read, But that's the problem with most Liberals educated in our public school

Source: www.wnd.com...
Many outraged about Democrat mailer signed by Bill Clinton. In California, where it is illegal in most cases to ask voters for identification at the polls, there is a growing uproar over a Clinton-signed mailer urging Latinos to bring an unofficial paper "voter identification card" to the polls, potentially allowing non-citizens to vote.
While every election is important, the November 7th election will determine our future for the next decade, and beyond," the letter reads. "The stakes are high for America's Latino families. And California is the critical battleground." It goes on to explain the purpose of the "voter identification card" attached to the letter. "Here is your personal Voter Identification Card. Sign your name, then detach your card. Bring your card with you to your polling place on Election Day. It will help your voting go more smoothly."

There are many more examples of voting fraud. A person would really have to be naive not to know this is happening or you need to growup and open your eyes.

reply to post by guohua


Yes, WND, the right wing nut's most trusted source. I hear they have less credibility than the weekly world news.

Fact is, you didn't bother looking into what it takes to get a voter registration card in California did you? You are just gonna hold onto the misconception that the voter registration fraud that was done by ACORN was actual voter fraud.

Take this from Vegas.

“This is not a case of voter fraud, it’s a case of voter registration fraud,” Mr. Miller said. “I’m very confident that none of these fraudulent voter forms found their way into the voter registration rolls or to cast votes.”

www.nytimes.com...

Oh but what's this? Well, lookie what I found...

Orange County authorities are launching an investigation into possible voter registration fraud after a local newspaper reported over a hundred cases of voters being tricked into registering as Republicans by petitioners who asked them to sign petitions for, among other causes, legalizing pot.

The Orange County Register reported last week that the Orange County District Attorney’s office announced it would team up with the Secretary of State on the case, following a Register report that 99 written complaints were filed since March by voters who said they were registered as Republicans without their consent.

Another 74 voters reached by the Register said they, too, were unwillingly made members of the GOP.

In a lengthy investigation published earlier this month, the paper pointed to an $8 “bounty” offered by the California Republican Party for each new registration as a cause for the problems. It identified multiple petitioners who work for vendors “with ties to the California Republican Party.” Back in 2006, a similar scandal led to the convictions of several petitioner

tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com...

taxdollars.ocregister.com...

www.ocregister.com...

Of course, this again, is voter REGISTRATION fraud, not voter fraud. But, let me take a page from your book and say that the GOP is committing voter fraud. You know, that way I don't have to have all the facts to back up my story. That way I can assume that now we have people voting Republican that had no intention of voting Republican. But, hell, were playing by your rules here aren't we? So I guess I can say that thousands of people are unwillingly voting Republican in a massive country wide case of voter fraud!

Please, get your facts straight before you waste our times with WND links. Really, you might as well put a link to some other tabloid rag saying that Batboy is the leader of the NWO!

reply to post by guohua


Therein lies the problem with your argument, you keep saying that people are voting illegally but every news article you point me to simply says they're only registering.

Registering does not equal voting. You have yet to actually find me a case where someone voted illegally.