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Originally posted by gncnew
Absolute Information Overload.
I'm attempting constructive criticism here:
The amount of time it would take me to go through the entire OP, and then to actually attempt to vet or check or research the sources would be enormously futile.
A point is best made through simple, direct, and CLEAR communication. The old adage "less is more" holds true when describing things like this.
Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Describing the technology is pointless without proving it. Proving it is pointless without putting it into perspective.
[edit on 15-7-2010 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]
The extermination of humanity is not inherent in my vision. You’ve just mentally connected the two and refuse to unconnect them. Why not look at the probability of humanity surviving, however small, and explore that, instead of focusing on the negatives?
If humanity can be so much more powerful than animals, and not wipe out all animals, then that proves that beings of different power levels can coexist, at least in principle. What leads you to automatically assume posthumans will wipe out all humans? Just because humans tend to not like other human-like things? Ultimately, the basis on which you are making your estimation is that posthumans will be as morally unsophisticated as humans, or worse. Why couldn’t the most powerful posthumans, the ones that set the rules, be morally sophisticated and recognize there is enough room in the universe for humans and millions of varieties of posthumans?
Yes, but preventing the Singularity is futile. Why not just try to maximize the chance of it going well?
The solar system is full of resources. Posthumans need not steal resources from human Amish to survive.
You have this wonderful opportunity to help instill in nascent transhumans a genuine love for humanity… why throw it away?
They desire to be gods, and acknowledge they risk wiping us all out. At least the inventors of the atom bomb were trying to stop Hitler, and even ‘end war’ in their own minds. The thrusts you advocate do neither, instead they promise war, all bent on selfish personal ambitions driven by a “manifest destiny” to do it (Kurzweil’s words).
You say focus on survival, the positive side that is, when you say we have a 25% chance. Those aren’t good odds and I don’t gamble anyways. What’s positive about all odds pointing to oppression and even extermination.
Why do I know there’s a war coming, being brought by transhumanists? Look at history. Neanderthals ring a bell? How about Native Americans? Jews? Palestinians? How about how we treat nature? Look at the livestock industries. Each other? Black power. White power. La Raza. American Exceptionalism. Chinese Exceptionalism. Did you watch the G20 protests? I just posted a huge blog full of police brutality videos last week, in case you missed it. And no, I reject the idea that you’ll be any better. Odds are the tech’s will amplify these things, especially when you view us as a threat.
Perhaps this is a good time for you to take a step back, and really think this all the way through. You’re immersed in transhumanist propaganda. Read my site. Loaded with content. You want to do things right? Luddites are the least of your concerns: you have to start with the system, and the puppeteers behind it. They might bring you with them, but even that’s a gamble for you.
Sure. Whatever is (actually) possible, will come about over a long enough timeline. The difference is you Technocrats are full speed ahead. Sure. You try to raise awareness, with kushy propaganda. The world isn’t ready, and unless YOU happen to be part of the bankster globalist social darwinist ruling elite, along with your personal friends, neither are any of you.
We’re all slaves, and the slave masters are using you people as tools in their quest to become gods, while bankrupting the masses in the process so we can’t participate even if we want to.
You want to avoid the sci-fi horror movie? You want to avoid the darkest tyranny the world has ever seen, where there’s no turning back? Do YOU want to survive it as a posthuman? If so, and if you’re not a witting tool, then you had better take a good look at our side of things, and talk about it. They’re plundering our governments & us, setting up an economic global government, rolling out wicked taxes to soak up whats left, militarizing the police and legislating a de facto martial law police state, using your beloved technology to spy on our every move including real time tracking and eavesdropping via out cell phones, rigging elections, waging imperialistic wars, burning the already shredded Constitution, agent provocateuring protests to justify beating and arresting them… and more.
The writing is on the wall. If you can’t see it I have over 800 blogs here proving my case. This is your chance to prove you’re on the side of peace and utopia, otherwise you’re just a pawn of the global tyranny dystopia. At the very least, explain for us the “positive” side of everything I’ve listed.
Originally posted by unityemissions
Oh my, you're actually putting technology up over philosophy!
[edit on 15-7-2010 by unityemissions]
Originally posted by dbloch7986
reply to post by SaturnFX
I thinl you outlined the war he's talking about. Technology allowing us more freedom vs. Tptb trying to keep control using the very technology that makes us free. It is a struggle fot those in power to control the distribution of information since the advent of the internet.
I do agree that the immorality will be used to make us more efficient drones for tptb. However I think it will have to open the door to population control.
And how do you decide what the cutoff age is for immorality? Do we make someone who is already 65 immortal? What about repeat criminals? Are we going to allow them to repeat forever? There are a lot of aspects to be explored here in tetms of immortality.
Originally posted by psychederic
One last BIG information for you : when they will product quantum processor : this is the SINGULARITY.
A quantum processor : will boost every aspect of robotics , and ia
This is the plan ... do you read me , this is THE plan
I cannot predict exactly when they will produce it ... but they have prototypes, they have also new method to build it easily ... (my news is from 1 month ago )
so this can be done ... today
Originally posted by Buretto
The only way humans can be saved from this AGI is to stop using technology all together. This sounds crazy but I honestly believe it is the only way. I took a science fiction class my senior year of high school, where I read the novel Feed by M.T. Anderson. I highly recommend this book to everyone. After reading the book I came to the conclusion that a utopia must be void of all technology.