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Originally posted by zaiger
reply to post by RRokkyy
Whats your point? You admit anyone can grow it. Poppies and Opium Poppies are different strains of the plant. It is illegal because the Pharma Cos want to control your access to it.
No it is perfectly legal to grow poppies, you can buy ornamental "opium" poppies at flower shops.
That is your opinion of a solution. Self medication should be considered a human right.
Well that is the first time i have heard that here. Heroin addicts just need an endless supply of cheap heroin, i do not think that it would help anything.
Legit to who? It is already legit to many people. If it works and isn't as harmful as the alternative, then it is legit to whoever is taking it.
Dude, have you not been reading the thread? How on earth is big pharma going to make it cheaper than free? Are they going to go door to door handing it out for free?
The fact is, it is very threatening as they stand to lose billions in lost profits from other medicines that people decide decide isn't worth it and isn't best for them.
Because it is threatening, they are trying to keep the plant outlawed, however due to very strong and growing popular opinion, you can't keep it illegal for ever so instead, they are going to come up with a way to meter it and charge for it, while outlawing the plant itself. This way, they can continue to rape the American people
Again, they just can't start selling it if the plant is legal. Most people won't buy it for the prices that they need to turn a big profit. The profits that they would make compared with that of the medicines that it would replace, just wouldn't add up and the industry would lose billions every year
No, pot isn't physically addictive like opiates. Pot is addictive like soda is addictive. Pot is addictive like porn is addictive.
You stop taking the medicine and you are violently sick for weeks, months and even years.
In fact, it quickly changes the chemicals in your brain to physically need the drugs and after a while, this change is permanent. I'm not talking psychological, rather physical. When your brain changes permanently, you will never go back to normal again and this change can easily come after months or just a few years of taking the medications.
Dude, the more you post, the more you are showing that you have no idea what your talking about and instead of trying to engage in any kind of intellectual debate, you are just grasping at straws to defend your original stance, which has been pretty much sliced up and spit out.
Large pharmaceutical companies such as Pfizer, GlaxoSmithKline and Novartis are demonstrating increasing interest in the therapeutic use of cannabinoids and their derivatives, according to a report of the Wall Street Journal on 28 February 2001. Other firms are already conducting research, such as the researchers at the Bayer AG who found that cannabinoid CB(1) receptors were upregulated in a rat model of chronic neuropathic pain (Siegling et al. 2001). Today, the only available cannabinoids are THC (dronabinol, Marinol) and the dronabinol derivative nabilone. Individual scientists, academic labs and small drug firms are currently the main promoters of pharmaceutical research, because large drug companies have traditionally been reserved with regard to the cost and the political problems associated with marketing marijuana as medicine. This situation appears to be changing. “We see them -- Pfizer, GlaxoSmithKline, Novartis -- all the time at the meetings of the society now," says Roger Pertwee, professor at the University of Aberdeen in the U.K. and secretary of the International Cannabinoid Research Society (ICRS). "They never came in the past."
Firms that are engaged in natural cannabis preparations are GW Pharmaceuticals in the UK and the phytopharmaceutical company Bionorica in Germany. Research and development costs of GW Pharmaceuticals increased to 5.1 million British Pounds in 2001 (PA News, June 13, 2001). Bionorica just started to manufacture dronabinol, and according to personal communication, intends to manufacture a cannabis extract and to start with clinical research shortly (Grotenhermen 2002). The Institute for Oncological and Immunological Research in Berlin (Germany) intends to licence their capsulated cannabis extract to a pharmaceuticals manufacturer, once research has demonstrated the extract’s effectiveness for treatment of severeal illnesses. Several million Euros have already been invested in research.
These activities demonstrate that the cannabinoid system is an increasingly interesting target for the devlopment of drugs by the pharmaceutical industry and that firms are investing millions of dollars into the research with natural cannabis. They appear to be confident that these investments are justified by the medicinal potential of the plant. However, according to the Institute of Medicine development of cannabinoid drugs is greately complicated by the Schedule I classification of both cannabis and tetrahydrocannabinols
www.drugscience.org...
You sir, are trying to appeal to emotions.
Moving along to whether people will pay or not, sure their will be people who pay but they aren't going to pay extremely high prices when they can get it from their neighbor for a few dollars.
Yes, the pharma industry does rape the public, by forcing us to not only jump through hoops to obtain the chemicals needed, but also pay large sums of money and depriving us from creating, making and consuming our own medications.
They charge far more than what is necessary to make the drugs and if you doubt it or try to claim otherwise, simply take a look at the drug prices in every other country on this planet.
When a drug company is extorting me due to my ailment, I consider it to be rape. I'm forced to patronize the industry and a few companies in particular if I want to live. That's extortion since I should have the right to life and self preservation.
I came home from the army as a disabled veteran and I was taking several narcotic pain killers. I took them for several years after my injury and when I decided to get off (against the advice of my doctor), I was violently sick for a little over a month and now that it has been a little over a year, I'm still not normal, not in the least.
Now I'm being told by my doctors that marijuana would probably benefit me more than the narcotics did. Why could they not have told me this sooner? You mean I am permanently screwed up because big pharma wanted me addicted to their chemicals? It's called rape!
If big pharma grows plants to sell them, they would have to sell them cheap, since anyone can grow their own and competition would be fierce.
The growing support of marijuana amongst the population, especially the sick, our government is not going to be able to keep it illegal for much longer, hence the many states that have legalized it.
So, when the people could be getting a life sustaining medication for free, big pharma is completely against this as it eats their bottom line. What part of this don't you understand?
Because it doesn't fit your warped view,
If marijuana was made legal, big pharma would stand to lose a bunch of money to include future profits. This is irregardless of whether they sell the plant or not
Originally posted by zaiger
Tobacco is not physically addictive either.
There you go again, trying to skirt the subject. Who is talking about alcohol? Is this thread about alcohol or marijuana? Why do you keep bringing up alcohol? I'm akin to believe that you are now just trolling, though I would hope not.
Unlike alcohol which requires a still, ingredients, skill, know-how and other resources, marijuana requires a couple seeds and dirt. It's really apples to oranges. Weed is legal to grow in several states (for medicinal purposes)and eventually in many more, unless of course the pharmaceutical industry changes that by cornering the market, thus preventing people from having access to life sustaining medicines.
Moving along to whether people will pay or not, sure their will be people who pay but they aren't going to pay extremely high prices when they can get it from their neighbor for a few dollars.
As far as big pharma raping us by making us jump through hoops to get their chemicals, it is not entirely the fault of the FDA and government. It is the pharmaceutical industry who works so hard at depriving the people a natural and free alternative to their drugs.
Furthermore, I do blame big pharma for my brain alteration (it's not damage as it didn't damage my brain, it altered my brain to where my brain no longer produces the chemicals to fight pain or dysaphoria on its own).
And from what i can see , you are pro pharma man, got anything to gain by discretiting medical marijuana?
While Drug Industry Has Pooled a Record-breaking $80 Million for California
Measures, Schwarzenegger Remains Second Only to George W. Bush in Campaign.
www.prnewswire.com...
The lobbying group is just one of several altruistic-sounding entities with financial links to the drug industry that have materialized around the Capitol.
www.biopsychiatry.com...
A couple of payments raised questions about compliance with university guidelines on industry relationships. Benjamin Ansell, associate professor at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA, received $1,787 in meals and travel from Pfizer during the six-month period, even though UCLA's Guidelines on Industry Activities state that "Faculty, staff, and trainees are strongly encouraged not to accept such meals at any location under any circumstances."
californiawatch.org...
UCLA is inviting people with fibromyalgia, IBS, interstitial cystitis, chronic pain, and other chronic and recurring conditions to sign up and participate in a year-long Internet-based survey, called PROCAIM. PROCAIM was developed under a grant from the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine to UCLA researchers to study:
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