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reply posted on 30-6-2010 @ 02:49 PM by InvisibleObserver
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Could you please ask your friend what russian video site this footage came from?

Thanks.


reply posted on 30-6-2010 @ 03:09 PM by Silk
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Good catch - when I was watching it my suspician was that this is very very cleverly edited footage from the ISS.

Indeed it might not have needed huge editing - the views of the ground "martian" landscape could just be overviews of the Gobi dessert or antartica for my book.


reply posted on 30-6-2010 @ 03:13 PM by ngchunter
I recognize the footage. It's from TheFakingHoaxer on youtube. This other poster seems to have plagiarized some of his work.
www.youtube.com...
Be forewarned, some of the videos made by TFH are... disturbing if you're a spaceflight fan, especially if you've seen the destruction of Challenger or Columbia first hand.

The view through the portal at one point is a shot from MRO's HiRise of victoria crater:
upload.wikimedia.org...

You wouldn't actually see the crater in that portal as close as they show it in the video unless you're skimming the atmosphere, coming in on a martian entry.

[edit on 30-6-2010 by ngchunter]


reply posted on 30-6-2010 @ 03:19 PM by Saint Exupery
First-off, I really enjoyed the video. It speaks to my longing to live long enough to see people go to Mars.

That said, I saw enough evidence to indicate a hoax.

- The initial approach to Mars was along an equatorial trajectory. Successive shots showed us getting closer to the Tharsis volcanoes. Meanwhile, Vallis Marinaris rotated into sunlight and we flew directly over that (btw, it was good attention to detail to show the right amount of rotation, in the correct direction, during the hours of approach).
Then we saw clips of us flying over the polar regions of Mars. This doesn't fit the earlier shots of an equatorial orbital insertion trajectory. It takes a lot of delta-V to significantly change the plane of your orbit like that. It would close to double the overall fuel requirement. If they had wanted a polar orbit, they would have used a polar insertion trajectory.

- The crater we look straight down on from 1:41 to the end is unquestionably
Victoria Crater. It is less than a kilometer across, so for it to fill the window as shown, our orbiter would have to be only a few clicks up - well within the martian atmosphere. Oh yes, and the wind-blown sand dunes inside the crater would have to have not changed in over 30 years.

Originally posted by Ophiuchus13
Why would they send all these rovers and surveying missions but not manned missions it would be silly of them not to.


*sigh* Your faith in a logical government far exceeds my own. When it comes to space exploration, our policies have been silly pretty much since before Sputnik 1.

Originally posted by this_is_who_we_are
Originally posted by amari
At 1:45 on the Mars video you can clearly see a pyramid and symmetrical

structure at the bottom view. ^Y^

www.youtube.com...

[edit on 30-6-2010 by amari]




The above is a blurry view of the southwest rim of Victoria crater - the section indicated in the box below:



Here is a hi-res view of the "pyramids" at ~50cm/pixel resolution:



As you can see, the "pyramids" are actually jagged sections of the crater rim.

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