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Vatican Blasts Priest Sex Abuse Raids In Belgium

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posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 10:33 AM
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reply to post by GypsK
 


I think you've nailed with the comment about the Vatican staying out of the issue from the beginning. If any other organization had been accused of the same level of abuse as the Catholic Church, then the authorities would never have allowed their involvement in the investigations.

Edit to say: It would prejudice the investigation.

[edit on 29-6-2010 by LarryLove]




posted on Jul, 6 2010 @ 06:08 AM
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There are some new developements around this issue that I wanted to share with you guys here on ATS.

We still need to wait to see what's true about this, but "Het Laatste Nieuws" (not realy a quality paper) released info that pictures of the corpses of Julie and Melissa (Dutroux affaire) where found in the Archbishop's Palace in Mechelen.

The Dutroux affaire was always linked to some high profile individuals (Bankers, Bilderbergers...), but it was never proven. Witnesses where discredited and everything was silenced.

article in Dutch



posted on Jul, 6 2010 @ 09:19 AM
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I think Van Der Sloot killed Natalee Holloway(His Father disposed of Her body) and He killed that Woman in Peru for finding out about Him and Natalee Holloway.



posted on Jul, 6 2010 @ 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by superluminal11
I can't imagine why they would be mad.

After all, the Netherlands/Dutch/Belgium is where all the sex magic snuff stuff takes place.


This is very disrespectfull and pretty ignorant too. If you don't know what you are talking about, sometimes it's better not to talk. You do realize that you just named 2 contries and one language and tried to tie those to one nutcase who has nothing to do with this event, which is way bigger and goes way deeper than we could ever imagine.

A lot of prominent figures cold take a fall here if they dig deeper, starting with the church, and taking the reaction of the pope in consideration, you can almost be shure that this will not end in Belgium.

I just hope they can keep digging. There are already investigators threatened with their lives.

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posted on Jul, 6 2010 @ 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by superluminal11
I can't imagine why they would be mad.

After all, the Netherlands/Dutch/Belgium is where all the sex magic snuff stuff takes place.
RIP Natalee Holloway

I feel bad for Mr Vandersloot but I guess they needed a fall guy.
They need to make it look as if a crackdown is taking place but business as usual will continue.

How do I know this...I just do. I guess "the knowing" gets stronger with each passing day


Excuse me ????? thats an statement of nothing...!!!!!
yes we are liberal concerning sex in common....not as sneeky as in the USA were they calculate with 2 standarts...there you can go to prison for an nipple slip...
but when money is to be made with it the most vulgaire sexual abuse is tolerated...
porn industry is one of the US most profileble markets... they are world leaders in it



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posted on Jul, 6 2010 @ 10:57 AM
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Sorry just had to reply with Vaticans favorite song



posted on Jul, 6 2010 @ 11:05 AM
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So, is the Vatican complaining that the raids were executed illegally or, are they just annoyed that they were just executed?

While I want 100% transparency from the Vatican on it's child abuse cover up, I also want the law to operate within its limits and legally, so that anything uncovered is fully admissable in court.

Certainly don't want any kiddy diddling priests walking free due to legal technicalities!



posted on Jul, 6 2010 @ 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by GypsK
In Belgium there is a commission called 'the commission Adriaenssen', which works under the church. It is here that victims of sexual abuse can rapport the abuse and talk about what happened while there anonymity is assured.
if this commission is a good idea or just used to protect the church and keep the victims silenced, I don't know, but that's not what matters here

One of the last raids was at the home of the commission owner, Mr Adriaenssen and at the office, they took all the files including personal information of all the victims.
So now, none of the names of those will stay anonymous! Some already came out and asking where there file is and who is going to get access to it.
While the investigators dig deeper, some of them will be asked to testify or give a statement. That's what's upsetting most about the whole case.
The raids are not ethical!

If I was abused by a member of the church and told someone about it IN TRUST, then I don't want that all over the place some years later.


What is unethical imo is that the church is runing their own internal and closed off "investigation".I read about this commision ,i dont know the specifics anymore about how it was setup but they sort off pushed people into using this commision instead off reporting to the police.

You dont need to be a rocket scientist to know that it is quite dodgy for the acused to setup its own closed commision to look into these cases.Now they got raided and the victims that went to this commision with their story are no longer anonymous but at least their stories and acusastions will be taken serious instead off being swiped under the carpet by some commision setup by the vatican itself.It may well lead to arrests of at least SOME off these guilty priests.


Its totaly ridiculous ofcourse that the acused party investigates itself.



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 03:50 AM
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update: They now found compromising pictures on the computers of Cardinal Daneels (retired Archbishop). One of the pictures is supposed to be a girl, younger than the age of 10, crouching naked in a shower.

here is a source in Dutch

Belgian investigators have asked their colleagues in France and Germany now to start investigating the church in those 2 countries. Looks like they are just scraping the top of the rabbit hole at this moment. This goes way deep.
Read this on another forum. I asked the writer for a source of this and am waiting for his response.



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 03:53 AM
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Since when is a church above the law?

Hand everyone of them over to the police. That is what should have happened right from the very start.



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 03:57 AM
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I am amazed that the vatican has the nerve to object about any means to discover its own abusive members.

Many have been crawling (or been dragged) out of the woodwork world wide.

Would we rather protect the feelings and sensibilities of priests, or would we prefer to protect and save innocent children?

I know which option I prefer.



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 04:09 AM
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well I wonder what the Vatican will say about this????

Priest used church money on male escorts



To his congregants, he lived the humble existence of a pastor.

But a high-flying Connecticut priest was charged this week with
first-degree larceny in the theft of almost $1.3 million from his
church's coffers to fund a lavish double life that included swanky
hotels and male escorts, said Capt. Chris Corbett of the Waterbury
Police Department in Connecticut.

Father Kevin Gray, 64, a former pastor at Sacred Heart Church in
Waterbury, allegedly embezzled money from the church over the
course of seven years.


www.cnn.com...



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 04:14 AM
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Well, crap!

And the vatican is probably saying exactly that.

Why people continue to prop us this hideous institution I don't know, except they are brainwashed.



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 04:16 AM
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At least it wasn't boys, for a change.

I don't know if any girls were ever involved but it seems not.



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 04:21 AM
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Read my last post about the pictures found on the retired Archbishops computer. There is a picture found with a young girl (



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 04:25 AM
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OK, disgusting in every way.

How can people believe the vatican is a holy institution, and priests are one step removed from God?



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 04:37 AM
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This is coming from the same people who turned the blind eye to sexual abuse of little boys and girls by priests.

The current pope was even involved.

He sent an accused to a third world country after knowing he was accused of sexually abusing kids, and the priest continued his abuse in that third world country.

They should tie the pope upside down and allow every mother on earth to physically hurt him.

Imagine how many kids have been emotionally scared for life because of these pricks. They should be physically scared for life.



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 04:38 AM
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This is my personal opinion, but this goes way further than the Vatican, I think. I wrote a few posts back about how they also found pictures of the corpses of julie and Melissa on the computers in the Archbishop pallace in Mechelen (Be) (case in the mid 90's, the Marc Dutroux affair where a lot of prominent members of politics where named but witnesses, like Regina Louf, where systematicly discredited).



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 04:44 AM
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It is shocking and saddening and sickening.

But the most sickening and worrying thing to me is that many people in the world continue to follow, and even worship, this sick thing.

I would like to ask Roman Catholics these questions:

1. Do you still believe that the pope is next to God, in spite of all the attempted coverups?

2. Do you still believe in your own religion, in spite of the lies of the pope and many priests?

3. Do you turn a blind eye to the abuse of children?



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 01:21 PM
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to clear on thing up

the picture that was found on the cardinals computer is not pornographic, it is an art picture, called "la douche" that had entered a national contest and was published on the Belgium national television's website in february.
That picture was found in the temp internet files on the computer. Everyone who looked at that photo online and hasn't cleard the temp internet files has this same picture on their computer.

This is blown out of proportion, I mean this picture that was found, not the other accusations.
sorry but, if something is not true then it must be said as well.




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