James Carrion - "Announcing The Center for UFO Truth"

I wonder what happened to his Skinwalker Ranch exposé? I really wanted to read that

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why do you suppose that "expose" never got released ?

Bigelow ? or is it you don't have a need to know ?

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UFO truth?

There has never been UFO truth.

Why would we believe this?

Regarding the subject of easynows thread, I thought it could be interesting to read/listen to James Carrions thoughts and views about it in some earlier interviews.

Here they are.

I consider myself a skeptical believer in UFOs –skeptical from the point of view that I don’t take a UFO sighting at face value, but believe that each case should be rigorously investigated with an open but scientifically discerning mind. At the same time, I believe that the UFO phenomenon is real, and although I have never had a UFO sighting myself,
I can’t discount the thousands upon thousands of sightings experienced by others.

My Lifelong Interest in UFOs by James Carrion April 2006

www.jerrypippin.com...

Two audio interviews.

Pre-conference interview from Jerry Pippin with James Carrion, now the former MUFON International Director.

The new MUFON International Director, James Carrion, tells Jerry about the 2007 MUFON conference in Denver, Colorado. The Conference held from August 10 through 12 has a superb line-up of UFO researchers and investigators.

Carrion talks to Jerry about each of the presentations, as well as some general information about MUFON. This is the 38th annual symposium, and it is the first one under the helm of Carrion. He also covers some of his personal investigations over the past year.

You find the WMA version here.

www.jerrypippin.com...

Next one.

We kick things off with James telling us about his background and how he became interested in the UFO phenomenon. We follow the trajectory of James's career with MUFON, including the Pandora Project (turning MUFON's vast library of files from paper to digital). We talk about the origins and history of MUFON, including some fascinating details surrounding the creation of the organization. James talks about the evolution of MUFON, including two new goals adopted rather recently.

James tackles the difficult question of where MUFON stands on what UFOs are. He discusses a groundbreaking series of closed door workshops, beginning in 2007, to discuss just this question. We discuss the ebbs and flows of MUFON membership and how the organization is holding up today. We talk about the average age of a MUFON member and what strides the organization is making to appeal to younger members, including an exciting new development that may help develop a younger generation of MUFON members. Closing out the general MUFON discussion, we talk about the international structure of MUFON.

The conversation turns to Carrion's new job as International Director of MUFON, starting with what kind of duties the job encompasses. He discusses what direction he would like to take MUFON during his tenure as International Director. James talks about what initiatives are in store for raising the public image of MUFON. We talk about if James will be handling national media appearances as new MUFON head and we get his take on the usual skeptics that are thrown on as the "opposing view".

In light of his work with MUFON files, James becomes the latest guest to be asked about the infamous missing APRO documents. We find out more details on this fascinating story. Concerning the MUFON file database, James talks about the status of their availability to the general public and researchers.

We get a response from James to the critics, within Ufology, who want MUFON to be more politically active. Does MUFON have an end game plan for if/when UFO disclosure happens ? We talk about if MUFON has a resident historian, of sorts, to document the evolution of the field. How does James respond to the general paranoia that an esoteric organization would be infiltrated by intelligence agencies (ala NICAP).

James takes us through the basic structure of a state level MUFON organization and how individual UFO sightings are investigated by MUFON. We discuss what the relationship is between MUFON and the National UFO Reporting Center. James talks about the problems today with trying to correlate UFO reports. Crazies in Ufology, its a sad fact of life, how much do they affect MUFON and do they have any form of policing members.
Moving on, we talk about the MUFON journal and what kind of content is in it.

We find out if the MUFON journal fits the need for peer-review in Ufology. From there, we talk about the MUFON Symposium, including what this year's theme will be, goals for the conference, who determines speakers at the Symposium and new changes in that policy. James also talks about potential plans for future sites for the MUFON Symposium.

Also, binnall implores James to bring the MUFON conference to the East Coast.

James tells us what's next for MUFON, including five key projects they have planned. James talks about MUFON's history studying the abduction phenomenon, including the Ambient Project. We talk about the internal debate within MUFON over abductions and some of the other debates that have gone on within MUFON's ranks.
Wrapping it up, James tells us why people should join MUFON and how they can.

www.binnallofamerica.com...

reply to post by catwhoknows

Why would we believe this?

good question

i posted this info so you and everyone else would be aware of what is going on and have the opportunity to discuss it and make up your own mind about it.





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hey spacevisitor good to see you

thanks for the great posts and info. what do you think about this new direction James Carrion is going ? i don't think he will get very far with it, there's too many cases to lump it all into one category.

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Originally posted by easynow
what do you think about this new direction James Carrion is going ? i don't think he will get very far with it, there's too many cases to lump it all into one category.

Hi easynow, in your OP is stated.

Originally posted by easynow
The former Director for Mufon, James Carrion has announced he is creating a "historical research organization" and the intentions of this study group is to examine the possibility that the subject of ufo's was "purposely created by the United States and its allies as part of a cold war operation and perpetuated to this day for national security reasons"

I said earlier.

Originally posted by spacevisitor
I would expect that especially he as a former Director for Mufon must know by now due all the available information there is about it what despite all the hoaxes and disinformation is going on regarding that phenomenon.

I did read and listen to the interviews I posted earlier and others, therefore I cannot understand why he suddenly will start such a serious investigation to “the possibility that the subject of ufo's was "purposely created by the United States and its allies as part of a cold war operation and perpetuated to this day for national security reasons”.

I really wonder why that is.

But despite that, if he want to spend his time into such an investigation, I really have no problem with that whatsoever of course.

I assume he keep us all informed with his findings.

And who knows what he will find.

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We might have two separate things going on. Genuine phenomena of "somethings" and an intelligence spin on the same. The spin is lumping all these "somethings" together as aliens/space ships - a red herring. I'm not sure but I think this is what Carrion is saying.

Originally posted by cripmeister
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We might have two separate things going on. Genuine phenomena of "somethings" and an intelligence spin on the same. The spin is lumping all these "somethings" together as aliens/space ships - a red herring. I'm not sure but I think this is what Carrion is saying.

If I understand you correctly here I think also that that is what Carrion is saying.

But I am convinced that it is the other way around, so that we have indeed a genuine phenomenon involving "intelligent non human beings" which you call "somethings" with as the red herring an intelligence spin to cover it all up.

I did have to look up the meaning of a red herring.

Red herring is an idiomatic expression referring to a rhetorical tactic of diverting attention away from an item of significance.

en.wikipedia.org...(idiom)

Originally posted by spacevisitor

Originally posted by cripmeister
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We might have two separate things going on. Genuine phenomena of "somethings" and an intelligence spin on the same. The spin is lumping all these "somethings" together as aliens/space ships - a red herring. I'm not sure but I think this is what Carrion is saying.

If I understand you correctly here I think also that that is what Carrion is saying.

But I am convinced that it is the other way around, so that we have indeed a genuine phenomenon involving "intelligent non human beings" which you call "somethings" with as the red herring an intelligence spin to cover it all up.

I did have to look up the meaning of a red herring.

Red herring is an idiomatic expression referring to a rhetorical tactic of diverting attention away from an item of significance.

en.wikipedia.org...(idiom)

It doesn't take much to get the UFO community worked into a frenzy when so many want to believe. Plus we already know that members of the intelligence community have fed disinformation to UFOlogists, the disinformation has always supported the government cover-up theory. If you consider this then Carrions theory is plausible no?

edit: I had sudden attack of dyslexia.

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I wonder what happened to his Skinwalker Ranch exposé? I really wanted to read that

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Wednesday, February 10, 2010
Skinwalker Ranch Update

Dr. Frank Salisbury is releasing a new edition of his book "The Utah UFO Display" with updated information on activity in the Uintah Basin. Last year I had the privilege of accompanying Dr. Salisbury as he interviewed various witnesses in and around the area commonly known as the Skinwalker Ranch.

I will be releasing a complete expose of our trip there in the near future including some very shocking information that will make you wonder what is really happening in this area of Utah. Truth is stranger than fiction.

Keep posted here for updates.

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2009 – Unsettling information I discovered with Dr. Frank Salisbury about the Skinwalker Ranch that calls into question the validity of experiences described in the book “Hunt for the Skinwalker”.

He left us all hanging for a few months now... still no idea what supporting evidence he has for his big Truth is yet... unless this is it..

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Wow that IS amazing.
Definitely a end sign for UFOLOGY.
I think where the flustration comes in is finding something tangible. They may have millions of UFO or abductions but if all inquiries reveal it to be false than it is just a waste of time, effort, and resources.
I mean to me its only natural for a scientific mind to eventually deduce maybe we are not being visited by Alien creatures.
It is so sad when lay people, who do not work in research organizations like SETI, SCREAM BLOODY MURDER "THE GOVERNMENT IS HIDING THE ALIENS"...well the government is covering up something but it certainly isn't Aliens.

Dig. Deeper.

I've noticed a trend recently whereby many UFO researchers are now distancing themselves from the mention of anything "extraterrestrial", in an attempt to make sure their work is taken more seriously.

As soon as you mention the word "extraterrestrial" many scientists and politicians will stop listening to you. If, however, you can talk about the UFO phenomena without mentioning this word - or even implying it (quite an art form) - then obviously you will 'reach' a larger and more accepting audience.

I wonder if efforts like this "CUT" are sincere. Do they really believe the UFO phenomena is "man-made", or are they just approaching from that angle in an attempt to legitimize their work? Or are they using it as a springboard - once widespread credibility is achieved, will they start working the word "extraterestrial" slowly back into their papers?

yeah the world multidimensional entity seems to have a better ring to it than extraterrestrials...

Originally posted by cripmeister
It doesn't take much to get the UFO community worked into a frenzy when so many want to believe.

It is for me not just a want to believe thing, that is only what you want to believe.

For me it’s a matter of drawing a final conclusion after studying the subject for many, many years.

Originally posted by cripmeister
Plus we already know that members of the intelligence community have fed disinformation to UFOlogists, the disinformation has always supported the government cover-up theory. If you consider this then Carrions theory is plausible no?

No, despite the disinformation thing I find it not plausible in any way.

If you assume that the UFO subject has absolutely no connection with “intelligent non human beings” or such, can you tell me then what you think the important reasons where/are for why they created such a UFO subject?

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It is for me not just a want to believe thing, that is only what you want to believe.

For me it’s a matter of drawing a final conclusion after studying the subject for many, many years.

What I said wasn't directed at you, I know practically nothing about you. I was expressing my point of view on the UFO community as I perceive it.

No, despite the disinformation thing I find it not plausible in any way.

If you assume that the UFO subject has absolutely no connection with “intelligent non human beings” or such, can you tell me then what you think the important reasons where/are for why they created such a UFO subject?

Have you already drawn your conclusions on the UFO subject? I haven't. The UFO subject might have been stimulated by the intelligence community to divert attention away from weapons testing etc. Those were paranoid times, communist intelligence had a pretty good idea of what the U.S was up to.

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I wonder if efforts like this "CUT" are sincere. Do they really believe the UFO phenomena is "man-made", or are they just approaching from that angle in an attempt to legitimize their work?

I thought the exact same thing Mulder. Like he's trying to reopen something akin to bluebook without the ET stigma.

In any case, was not aware of this development so thanks to the OP!

Who cares what james says? Extra terrestrials exist even if he want it or not. He is easy ignored as a humorous character by people who has experience with extra terrestrials. Why bother using your time on saying something like that. Humans thoughts and theories will never change facts or actual events.

Originally posted by Archirvion
Who cares what james says? Extra terrestrials exist even if he want it or not. He is easy ignored as a humorous character by people who has experience with extra terrestrials. Why bother using your time on saying something like that. Humans thoughts and theories will never change facts or actual events.

Nor will your post

Originally posted by cripmeister
Have you already drawn your conclusions on the UFO subject?

Yes I have.

Originally posted by cripmeister
The UFO subject might have been stimulated by the intelligence community to divert attention away from weapons testing etc.

If you really think that the UFO subject might have been stimulated by the intelligence community to divert attention away from weapons testing etc., can you explain the following to me then.

How can it be that those UFO’s where already seen far, far before the time that even the United States saw the light of day and therefore those intelligence communities of where you speak did not even exist?

Look for instance to this information.

All Cases: Sorted by Oldest First.

www.ufoevidence.org...

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How can it be that those UFO’s where already seen far, far before the time that even the United States saw the light of day and therefore those intelligence communities of where you speak did not even exist?

The UFO subject didn't exist back then, it came to be after WWII. The intelligence spin doesn't rule out a real phenomena of "somethings".

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