David Icke…..Ufology’s Worst Ambassador

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posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 09:17 AM
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Hi, Maybe...maybe not.

If Ickes claims are as damaging and degrading as you claim, then why in your opinion isn't legal action being taken against him?

For the record and for your amusement. This is what i think/believe.

He is part of the agenda, spreading truths mixed with lies. I have researched very little of his material and do not support him in any way, but i do believe that reptiods/lizard beings are in control of the planet, its inhabitants and have been for a very long time.

Much of what i believe is due to personal experiences, downloads, contact with higher intelligence/celestial beings/family and higher self. I fully expect you to label me as nuts, crazy, a kook or diagnose me with a mental/medical disorder or point me in the direction of professional help. I do not mind, i used to do the same.

If it wasn't for my personal experiences then i would still be stuck in my little box/bubble or sat on the fence, in a deep slumber.

I hope this post isn't too of topic, i just felt compelled to share.




posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 09:34 AM
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Originally posted by Frakkerface

Originally posted by gambon
makes a ton of money through having an english accent ( which to some makes you sound intelligent"



hahaha believe me, for an English person his accent doesn't sound intelligent at all. In fact, I would say that's one of this plus points, he sounds like a 'typical working class' person.


You are joking ? Im in the uk , he has about as middle class an accent you can get , that is why he was a proffesional speaker , tv journalist etc,

I f you think he sounds like a "working class "person ...whatever they sound like , you need to get about a bit more....maybe out of the south of the country....



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 09:44 AM
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David Icke is known in the UK as the guy who pronounced on national television that he was the son of god.
He was written off as a nutjob right there and has only compounded that opinion with his reptilian theories.
The fact that reptoids didn't evolve alongside humans means that they are obviously alien in origin, which naturally associates him with the UFO field.
The subject refered to as "UFO's" these days covers anything to do with E.T's and isn't confined strictly to unidentified flying objects.

He may possibly be right....but I woudln't even stake my BP stock on it.



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 09:53 AM
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Originally posted by gambon


You are joking ? Im in the uk , he has about as middle class an accent you can get , that is why he was a proffesional speaker , tv journalist etc,

I f you think he sounds like a "working class "person ...whatever they sound like , you need to get about a bit more....maybe out of the south of the country....


Middle class accent? I've been to many parts of the country thanks. Admittedly he's doesn't have a deep northern accent (not sure what your reference to the south means) but it's hardly middle class. Your logic is that just because his accent is southernised a little that it is middle class? I would say the same thing to you, go to some places in the south if you think he's posh. Got to be kidding me. He was a professional speaker because he speaks clearly and because he was getting fairly famous but lost his career as a sportsman, similar to why Alan Hansen (and others like him) is a "public speaker". Or would you call him middle class as well?

Icke is hardly Hyacinch Bucket is he?!



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 09:59 AM
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He has a proffesional bbc voice went grammar school and has had elocution lessons at the bbc , he has the preffered bbc voice , eg not much of an accent etc at all


I was refferring that a lot of americans hear an english accent and presume intelligence.........especially when being sold something....

"southernised a little " ,, yeah , you mean very southern middle class accent, trying hard not to have an accent at all,

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posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by gambon


"southernised a little " ,, yeah , you mean very southern middle class accent, trying hard not to have an accent at all,


It is not a "very southern middle class accent". As a southener i find it a joke that you could think so but if you say so. You haven't heard anything if you think he has a "very southern middle class accent". Go to hampshire or some places in Berkshire.

Maybe we all sound the same to you? (i have heard people say this).



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 10:07 AM
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I have just relistened to him , deffoes not a" working class "accent,funny you should bring up hyacinth bucket, he is just like her ,a wannabee, Hyacith bucket does represent a lot of wannabees , when the reality is more like onslow......
yp it has been said before , a lot of folk in south east do loose there accents and gain a sort of false London mc accent to fit in...
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posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by OllyP
David Icke is known in the UK as the guy who pronounced on national television that he was the son of god.
He was written off as a nutjob right there and has only compounded that opinion with his reptilian theories.

Yes, that is true.

A very clever ploy by them, get the truth out in plain sight knowing that most will dismiss it straight away. You can't introduce the Icke reptillian theory to anyone in the UK as the mere mention of his name is abrubtly met with......'that guy is a frickin nutcase, thinks he's the son of God'

Add the fact that he was a Mason and was prominent in the main stream media, working for the BBC etc.........then things might start to add up for you guys!



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by Exuberant1
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How does it feel to have just advertised for David Icke?

He clearly doesn't mind the negative attention, maybe he goes out of his way to generate it - so how nice of you to give it to him.

You just fed a troll who needed no feeding.



That's a cheap attempt at making the OP look stupid if you ask me
Why not contribute with something useful to this discussion? I know you're familiar with Icke, why not share your thoughts?



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 10:28 AM
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When he's not talking about reptilian shape-shifting aliens, he actually puts out a message of compassion and spirituality that is pretty intelligent.

There's a fine line between insanity and genius.



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 11:31 AM
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All david icke has to do now is take the most batcrap insane stuff from his forums and put it into his books and pass them off as his own ideas. The type of person that would be laughed at here could be responsible for writting 1/2 of one his books.



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by MarrsAttax
This is just supposition on your part. Could you be guilty of of extrapolating your own views onto the public at large ( I may be guilty of it as well).


Not in the least. Do a Google or Yahoo search to see how often Mr. Icke is associated with UFOs.


Originally posted by MarrsAttax
What evidence? Evidence regarding what? The only evidence provided in the OP was a link to an article MMN disagreed with and the highlighting of the fact that Icke charges for his books and DVDs.


I did not necessarily mean in the context of this discussion, but discussing David Icke in general.


Originally posted by MarrsAttax
From this MMN concludes that Icke is damaging Ufology.

You have to admit that is a weak assertion.


Not at at. His presence is damaging.


Originally posted by MarrsAttax
Firstly, he's not a ufologist and I dispute that most people define him as such so how can he damage Ufology's reputation?


He might not define himself as a "ufologist" but Mr. Icke has no problem delving into UFO research, even if his views are out of the mainstream. He has no problem commenting on UFO on his website. Icke seems to subscribe to ancient astronaut theories. Sites dedicated to UFOs give him a forum to express his views. He appears with oother conspiracy mongers discussing UFOs and discusses other fringe UFO theories like bluebeam. Icke is knee-deep in ufology.


Originally posted by MarrsAttax
Secondly, the OP presupposes Ufology has a reputation to be damaged which is very arguable.


He certainly does not help. Being a far from serious researcher associated with UFOs (even as much as you or others want to deny it), any critic can point to him to attack the field.


Originally posted by MarrsAttax
Fourthly, show me a Ufologist or Conspiracy Theorist who doesn't charge for their work. The idea that charging money for books is sufficient proof that one is a conman is fallacious.


I have no problem with that argument; everyone has to eat.



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 12:28 PM
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Well, it has been proven that the Vatican has had more than its share of sex crimes while the Obama Administration provides Amnesty for such crimes. Didn't David Icke say that?
So, it might give credence to some of Icke's more outlandish claims, especially when the Vatican has been riddled with so many abuses as of late.
I also find it interesting that the Pope has been linked to the Hitler Youth Movement and readily accepted that programming and training. Now, that fact in of itself might raise some eyebrows for anyone who can link facts and information.
However, Icke seems to peddle fear and paranoia far more than he provides useful facts and information. He never really presents solutions to the grand problem and consistently makes claims of reptilians and other beings that have yet to be seen in this dimension. I don't claim to vouch for this man at all, and I don't agree with his methods, but, some of his information seems to correlate with other mainstream information that readily points the blame to our ruling elite.

Then there's this little tidbit. The fact that he claims to have the truth, but peddles it for profit might be an indication of something a bit more sinister. And yes, sometimes one has to cover their own costs in order to survive, but, Icke has been doing this for quite some time. I think he should be pretty comfortable by now.

So, you might be right. But then again, maybe not.

Namaste and love

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posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 12:29 PM
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CHINESE PROVERB : "It takes one to know one".
David Icke was labelled as a "nut case" right from day one. Study history and you will see that numb skulls, just like yourself, have always been critical of those who dare to think. You personally might not like what David Icke is saying, but millions of others do like what David Icke is saying. Such persons are willing to pay £35 for his book. Books are that expensive nowadays. Every book is costing that much now. So why not get your local library to get it for you so that you can then read it for free ? To say that SHAPESHIFTING is not real, is to ignore the Quantum Reality in which we exist. Reality is now scientifically better understood, and thus it is understood that actual reality is no more or less real than are dreams. If you cannot understand this fact then you should humble yourself before such as David Icke, and others, who do understand such things. There is a book which I recommend that you read called THE HOLOGRAPHIC UNIVERSE written by author MICHAEL TALBOT published in 1991 by Harper Collins ISBN 0-586-09171-8. Once again this is a book that was expensive in its day. Books are costing something to write and publish. It is called the cost of living. Stop expecting everything to be a free hand out. Before you're too old try to get a job. Get yourself a life too. Even as I am writing this I am shapeshifting myself into my true reptilian form, which is normally hidden from the perception of such as yourself ? As you read this you too are transforming yourself into a hideous monster from hell, but you prefer to ignore this fact by seeing yourself as a young and handsome human form instead ? Just spend long enough looking at yourself in a mirror and you will see with your own eyes that you're not quite what you were thinking yourself to be. It might get to be a little bit frightening as you see yourself shapeshifting in the mirror. In short, how can we be sure that what we percieve as "reality" is actually real ? The insane person never knows that his "reality" is only an aberation [psychosis] in his own mind. At the very least David Icke is a bit of an entertainment. Try to be a bit less of a hate monger, since as far as I can see David Icke is not actually hurting anyone is he ? Another interesting Chinese Proverb is : "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me".


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posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 12:31 PM
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Hi, I think you were a part of the Icke forum, maybe ... maybe not. I frequent that forum from time to time and for a while it was an every day occurence with me. I can only speak for myself, of course, but Icke, his philosophies and his books are no longer holding my attention. To me it seems , with his ideas he builds and builds and never truly provides much documented proof of said theories. I have a very open mind will listen to many far-out theorys, but I need back up. I don't seem to see any of that forthcoming and the forum is overun with trolls.



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 12:31 PM
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David Icke in a nutshell


And he nees to sell books to make up for all the money he lost when this "conspiracy guru" who has his "eyes oppened" from taking handfulls of red pills (they are really blue pills called paxil t keep the voices out) and falling down rabbit holes. His all seeing eye did not see the most obvious conspiracy against him when he lost the rights to his own books.



The background is this. The man involved, called Royal Adams from Missouri, incorporated David’s books and company in his own name with David completely excluded. This was without David’s permission – of course.

Imagine that. You have worked for 16 years against all the odds, and in the face of enormous abuse and ridicule, to create cutting edge material to alert people to their plight and some guy just puts it all under his own name and tells you he is in control of everything. Gutted is not the word.

David researched and wrote the books; arranged for them to be designed, proof-read and indexed; arranged for the art work and the production of the disk for printing; and paid for all these things to be done.

But when he took steps to have his life’s work returned to his control Adams stopped him getting any income from the sales of his OWN books. Adams said that he would only consider restoring the income - David and his family’s livelihood - if David signed over rights to all his future works to him.

Adams also demanded $100,000 for David to regain control of his own books – a sum that could have destroyed everything David had spent 16 years creating. Adams also refused numerous requests to make the full accounts of the company available so David could see what he was dealing with.

It gave David only two choices: To accept this extraordinary injustice or take legal action to recover control of what was his and restore the income on which his entire work depends to survive and continue, and to secure the livelihood on which his family depend.

In simple terms, the system means that even if someone does something illegal it costs you enormous amounts of money in lawyers fees to put it right and recover what was yours in the first place.

David has won an interim order stopping Adams selling his books and keeping the money, which will now be held in an independent account pending the legal outcome. The judge ordered the accounts and print disks to be handed over to David.

It was when the judge signed this order that the above email was sent to David’s office and Adams launched a ‘Hate Icke’ website. In this it is said that David’s books are ‘overpriced’ when we have emails in which David is the one stopping Adams pricing the books too high. David is also supposed to be a ‘greedy bastard’ when he lives in a small flat with one bedroom and Adams has a million dollar house.

The point is that David’s efforts to regain control of his own books, and therefore keep them in circulation, is costing a fortune in legal fees and we are asking for help in meeting these costs (see below). If we don’t get this help then David’s work is in serious danger of disappearing within weeks – which is what the above email says is the whole idea.
Source (NSFW)



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posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 12:35 PM
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maye....maybe not.... lmfao still cant get over why anyone would write there name twice even tho its right up there in the corner.... but the point to my reply is that its not about who the person is whos doing the research or has a philosophy on life it is the sole responsibility of the one listing to determine if the information or evidence is true or proof, its up to you and your mind to know if this is something you believe in and if its not for you then its as simple as not listing to the person and you will not be fed garbage.....





maybe.....maybe not.



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 12:45 PM
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David Icke is a lot like greer.
Steven Greer was a doctor that somehow helped him become and expert in wieghtlifting,ET channeling, alien photography and Dislosure porjecting.
David Icke was an arthritic soccer player/ news show host that somehow becme, insane, reptilian hunter, albino and a PHD in stuff he made up.



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 12:46 PM
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I believe there is a lot of truth in what he says about paedophilia and satanism amonst the 'ruling members' of the various countries of the world, and totally believe that they are all on the same side and watch each others' backs.

Republicans/democrats, Terrorism, Iran - all just ploys designed to 'interrupt' all lines of rational investigation in people's minds as they are hit by the news of one crisis after another.

Apart from anything else it's against all the laws of averages known to man that for so long, so many years, there can only be one horror, one disaster after another. I wish I was so sure of winning the lottery as I am about them engineering all this ...except I wouldn't play lottery because that money too, as does almost all other money, goes straught into their pockets. Not the nation's pocket, into their own personal bank accounts...eventually. Follow the money and all trails eventually lead to Rome, or NY or Tel Aviv or London - and into private accounts.

I am reminded of what Thomas Jefferson said: T'he individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous that he cannot believe it exists.'

It was true then and is still true today.

They trick us with cognitive dissonance by lying, covering up, duplicity and evil mind games (see yesterday's video of NLP in the Media).

And even when the truth stares them in the face, people think 'That's too awful to be true. Therefore it isn't true'. Totally false logic.

Did you see the video from the lady in Louisiana.? They AREN'T TRYING TO CLEAN UP THE GULF. Obama, Haliburton, BP et all are letting it die so they can make millions from a new 'algae' business. When an official comes to visit they get the locals to work at the 'clean-up' only to stop it when the official has gone.

They are ruthless and evil, they don't care that people down there are getting poisoned, that the wildlife and ecology are being totally destroyed, that half the world's oceans will so toxic the fish will die.

Why would that matter to them? They're gonna make big bucks.

And you think these ruthless, evil, murderous villains would shrink from peodophilia? As for satanism, we are seing it in action before our very eyes....but people STILL won't let themselves acknowledge the truth.

They have programmed the people to doubt their own perception and experience...and as a result, people become passive. That is DEADLY PASSIVITY. BUT passivity doesn't change the truth which is there in plain sight before your eyes. The monstrous, horrifying truth.



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 12:47 PM
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I have been watching ATS for a long time now, but I have never really felt the need to respond or post.. until now. The pedophilia agenda is very serious and under-reported. Obama's safe schools czar, Kevin Jennings, has openly praised the founder of NAMBLA and wrote the forward to queering elementary education.

Pedophiles have been hiding behind "gay rights" for quite some time and their agenda is now everywhere. For how this sickening practice was introduced into American culture, I suggest you watch The Kinsey Syndrome: www.youtube.com...

What I really cam here to share, though, is the work of my friend The Celtic Rebel. He has been working very hard on a documentary series titled Don't Go West: celticrebel.wordpress.com...

This documentary details, in specifics, how this agenda has been playing out in plain sight and beneath our very noses. It uses a wealth of clips from popular movies, youtube, and other sources that will leave any sane, thinking person shocked and disgusted.

I could promote my own work concerning the subject, but it is a bit more esoteric and not as good of an introduction to the subject at hand. It involves time travel, robots, homosexuality, ass-ass-ins, and sun gods. If you're really interested, just search "Star Theory."

As I am a brand-new member, I cannot get this information much visibility. I think this subject deserves its own thread and I would ask the more senior members here to help me to get this material out.

Thanks a lot and I really appreciate the work you all have been doing here.





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