David Icke…..Ufology’s Worst Ambassador

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posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 02:24 PM
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Hi Maybe maybe not, i'm just curious as to what he has said where he has clearly mentioned extraterrestrials or flying saucers the article seems to me at least to be discussing that paedophilia and satanism go hand in glove? i'm probably totally wrong here so please correct me if thats the case.

I read the information at the link you've supplied but found no mention of ufo's or e.t's and i have to be honest i've never heard him mention it in his lectures.

Could you provide a link or quote where he is clearly besmirching ufology... it seems to me that ufology doesn't need Mr Icke to do that when it is already full of people who are preaching some very questionable ideas (Alex collier springs to mind) about the whole subject.
thanks for a great post.


edit: I have starred and flagged this post not because i agree with you but for having the balls to post your honest opinion.

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posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 02:25 PM
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You obviously do not know what you are talking about .
www.abovetopsecret.com... here's a good thread about the Franklin affair (proven child sex scandal in the white house). As far as the Satanism goes... it would be more accurate to call it Luciferianism and I would start by looking up the terms : Albert Pike and Lucifer in your web search . I'll have to go with maybe not on this one.


edit to add: Icke is a disinformation artist because he adds the reptilian shape shifter mumbo-jumbo to the mix which makes it all sound like lies.

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posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 02:39 PM
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Your a hard person to keep up with maybe maybe not. This thread just comes across as a David Icke bashing thread and we all know where they go.

Whilst I agree that David Ickes views must be taken with caution we must not forget that alot of peoples minds have been changed on the particular subject of the 'unknown' thanks to this man, he stuck his neck out and faced ridicule by the masses, yet a few years on people are queueing up waiting to hear his every word.

I have personally been in the company of this man when I was younger and I can tell you this, he really believes he is aware of something special and through personal experience I can say without conviction that he is something 'special' he sees things before many others do and whilst some of his topics are a little hard to believe, he is pretty much right in the end.

I used to view satanic rituals topics with my tongu firmly pressed against my cheek but the more research I do and the more I hear from abductees the more I find out just how magical/powerful our blood is, therefore, nothing suprises me anymore.

For the record I have read 'TRANCE NATION' and it is a very disturbing book and if it is indeed written fact then there are things going on in this world that would make us sick.

IMHO - David icke is a man who gets the message across it might not be pretty but he does it, he leaves people pondering whereas before they would be dismissive.



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 03:02 PM
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Humanoid reptilians make no sense, fyi. The human form works for humans. That's why 500 million years of dinosaur evolution never produced anything humanoid. Because the smartest dinosaur today, Earth's 3rd smartest species (with dolphins and us above), is the crow. Does the crow have a humanoid form? No. Is it smarter to apes, the closest thing to us in form and intelligence? Yes. How can this be?

Because Dave is wrong.

So.

Why should I believe anything else he says?



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 03:18 PM
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I remember vividly: Early 1999, walking into Border's Books and seeing The Biggest Secret on display. I had never heard of Mr. Icke previously but purchased immediately after reading the back cover and dug in as soon as I was home. It was the most intense and incredible first few pages I had ever experienced. Subjects that I always had in the back of my mind but dared not speak of aloud. I thought I had found a true genius who cared about his fellow mankind and was not afraid to expose some wrongs in the world. That is until I came to the part where he started arguing with himself and his closest friends about revealing THAT subject. I was correct on one aspect, he is a true genius but he care nothing for anything other than the almighty dollar/pound and serving TPTB. He almost completed his mission on me, as I began to disregard most things subversive and revert back to the MSM. I did not want to associate with people with such views. Thankfully my mind never could release those thoughts that some things are not as they appear. Hard lesson learned about how vital it is to gain knowledge while scrutinizing the source and always do your own research. Very happy that my research has brought me to ATS. STAR & FLAG For A Great Post!



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
Humanoid reptilians make no sense, fyi. The human form works for humans. That's why 500 million years of dinosaur evolution never produced anything humanoid. Because the smartest dinosaur today, Earth's 3rd smartest species (with dolphins and us above), is the crow. Does the crow have a humanoid form? No. Is it smarter to apes, the closest thing to us in form and intelligence? Yes. How can this be?

Because Dave is wrong.

So.

Why should I believe anything else he says?


Do you have next week's lotto numbers too? What about the formula to create the elixir of life? Or are you able to solve the riddle of steel?

There's no reason for you to act condescending like this.

Do you know exactly how the Earth was 67 million years ago? What about 10 thousand years?



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 03:59 PM
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What's always interesting about Icke, is that he does good research, and then takes a left turn at Albuquerque...(as Bugs would say)...

His stuff is good to read for the part of it that is fact-based, but his conjectures are more than a bit far-fetched, in my opinion...

He'd have us believing that the world is secretly run by disguised lizard-like, satan-worshipping pedophiles.... The powers that be may be sinister, but I don't think they're reptoids....



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 03:59 PM
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The lottery is not evolution and research. It has no cycle. It has no pattern. It has nothing to predict. So that is a straw man fallacy.

Elixir of life? Micro probes which attract free radicals + stem cells. Know why I know that? Research.

Riddle of steel? All I know is that's a video game. wtf?

10,000 years ago thee world was falling out of an ice age.

67 million years ago the world was a wasteland with lots of wind, birds, fish, and a few shrews.

Knowledge defeats ignorance. Simply put, the human form sucks. This is why we use tools to do things, not our bodies.

There have been millions upon millions of species on earth. only 1% of life forms ever on Earth are alive today. So take the vast diversity of life today, and times it by 100. That is all the life forms of Earth.

Of those life forms, only 3 or 4 have had the human form.

Of those 3 or 4, only one has survived to what we are today.

How many intelligent animals are there alive today?

Man
Dolphins
whales
Crows
Parrots
Cuttle fish
Octopus
Squid
apes
Gorillas
so many more

How many of those are like man?

1.

Not to mention mankind is an easy species to go extinct. Not until the last 50 or so years in the whole of our 50,000 years of existence have we had the capacity to survive disasters. And we are ever more likely to kill ourselves off, making a second species that looks and acts like us ever less likely.

Mathematics, my dear. Probability and numbers.

It is simply unlikely for humanoid aliens to be out there when it was already a flook chance we would evolve here in the first place. It is far more likely for other species to have evolved intelligence without the humanoid form.

Also, limitations are the progenitor of civilization and technology. So again, those species more limited will be more intelligent. Mankind is already so limited, and we are this smart.

In the end. The immensely low almost null chance that the human form would evolve again makes it all but a joke to think aliens look like us. They are far more likely to look like birds or dolphins.


My personal favorite is Half Life's Combine

(SPOILERS)










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posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by nelletuorg7

I think you were a part of the Icke forum, maybe ... maybe not.


Nelletuorg7.....

I have never read, discussed or participated in an "Icke forum".

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by cripmeister

Originally posted by Exuberant1
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How does it feel to have just advertised for David Icke?

He clearly doesn't mind the negative attention, maybe he goes out of his way to generate it - so how nice of you to give it to him.

You just fed a troll who needed no feeding.



That's a cheap attempt at making the OP look stupid if you ask me
Why not contribute with something useful to this discussion? I know you're familiar with Icke, why not share your thoughts?


Glad no one asked you
and cheap shots from yourself don't sit well either ..And as Exuberant1 said that "Icke does not mind the negative attention and maybe he goes out of his way to generate it"

I'd say his input is useful and Exuberant shared what he thought

Grow up

Ocker



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 04:28 PM
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It always interests me that many who are so adamant Reptilians can't be real - - - strongly believe in an invisible omnipoltent "man in the sky".

Why is the idea of Reptilians so outragious?

At least I am open to Any and All possiblities - - with no claim to know if something truly exists or not.

Opinions are one thing - - - real knowledge is something else.



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 04:31 PM
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MarrsAttax.....



From this MMN concludes that Icke is damaging Ufology.You have to admit that is a weak assertion. Firstly, he's not a ufologist and I dispute that most people define him as such so how can he damage Ufology's reputation?


Icke is clearly associated with Ufology. Very importantly, those who are on the fringes of Ufology looking in will never take Ufology seriously because in their lack of knowledge, they will just hear Icke talking about "aliens", throw us all in that "basket" & laugh at us, or walk away, or both.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 04:32 PM
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Keep in mind that people like David Icke dedicate their life to informing people of their beliefs, so it should be treated as 'their job'. They do need to make a living still, and it does cost money to fund their operation like book publishing costs, web development and hosting costs, travel etc.

CNN doesn't charge you to read or listen to 'their info' because they produce income from advertising, and are funded by elite. And if you don't agree with them, you just change the channel. So rather than attack people like Icke, just 'change the channel'.



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 04:40 PM
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Because the humanoid form is for mammals. Reptilians would not be humanoid.

Only a desert world would generate a reptilian intelligence. And such a world would develop warmblooded species as the dominate because warm blooded handle heat better. IE, feathered bird-like species.

The biochemical that creates scales is one small mutation away from a feather. That is why on Earth, every single place lizards are, Birds do better.

And birds, as the crow proves, do not need a humanoid form to be intelligent.


Ergo, both reptilians and humanoid aliens are not likely.



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by Exuberant1
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How does it feel to have just advertised for David Icke?
He clearly doesn't mind the negative attention, maybe he goes out of his way to generate it - so how nice of you to give it to him.
You just fed a troll who needed no feeding.


Ex1.....

It appears you have finally found some manners & courtesy & subsequently enough nerve to take me off ignore.

Based on the quality of your response which comprises one of your normal off topic, smart alec remarks, I suggest you have either.....

Not read or not comprehended my opening post properly (or both).....

Or.....

Determined you will be willfully obfuscatious because you do not have the knowledge & discussion skills to address the topic of the thread.

On the extremely small chance you desire to participate in the discussion, what is your position on that which I posted?

Regards
Maybe...maybe not



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
David Icke…..besmirches Ufology with wild fantasies about paedophilia & Satanism


ufology hardly features in his work.. to say he "besmirches" the subject is a bit extreme, given the wide variety of other views / theories / characters / nutters in ufology..

and all publicity is good publicity! just let him get on with it and leave people to make up their own minds about him and his (pretty #ing out there) ideas.. we need people like him in the world. have faith in people to make their own judgments.

icke will probably sell a couple of books and get hits on his website thanks to you!!

good work fella

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posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 04:55 PM
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TO MIKEY923:

Welcome to ATS. I appreciate your opinion regarding cost and fees. I purchased one of his books, hence supporting him financially, and my feeling was one of deception and betrayal. If you take a look at The Biggest Secret, the front cover and the text on the back cover has no indication of what is in-store to the uninformed. I purchased that book to discover this intrepid secret (at the time I was uninformed) and was sucked in with an amazing tale of - and I paraphrase: If you know how to look at them, you would see what I see... He has put himself up on a pedestal and if you do not possess the gift of sight/knowing then you are left with speculation. Nothing more, nothing less. If we can not see them then we have no proof and just one man's ideology. There are many others such as he, they are called Cult Leaders.



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 04:59 PM
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Thanks for advertising David Icke, OP and bringing more people to his attention and shout of "Wake Up!"

Sometimes people speak in allegorical terms, not that reptillians, or shapeshifters exist, but rather that their forms are altered by demonic spirits of energy, or distorted is a better word for the evil energy in and around them.

You may say what you like about David Icke, but when you hear it from the satanist themselves,... then you wake up.

Why do you think so many kids go missing, or the media is saturated with blood,kill, murder, sex, violence, obey the one eye, one law, of satan worshippers.

Red Shield? FreeMasons? Zionists? NWO = ZMO = Zionist Masonic Oligarchy.

Wakey, Wakey.



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 05:01 PM
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I dont see any view pushing here by MMN. He is bringing forth facts about David Icke. Facts that a lot of Icke supporters are not bringing to the table.

Look, if someone wants to support a borderline schizophrenic, then that is their problem. I for one will not take part in the crap that Icke believes.



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 05:01 PM
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LiveForever8…..



Nope, I still have to disagree with you I'm afraid



Well…..it wouldn’t be much of a discussion if everybody agreed with me!

Actually, that happened in a recent thread…..everybody agreed with everybody else & the discussion sort of fizzled out until some dissenters started to rip & tear again!



I don't think Icke has ever been an ambassador for Ufology.


Here’s what I said previously:


Very importantly, those who are on the fringes of Ufology looking in will never take Ufology seriously because in their lack of knowledge, they will just hear Icke talking about "aliens", throw us all in that "basket" & laugh at us, or walk away, or both.




I also don't see a problem with him making money from people interested in his theories.


It didn’t worry me TOO much until he started applying such a strong focus to this unsubstantiated, nasty material.



Icke damages people?


Absolutely!



How exactly?


Icke damages people trying to take a serious approach to Ufology.

Icke damages the people at who he has aimed his nasty, unsubstantiated accusations & fantasies.

Icke damages the gullible people who have their psychotic, paranoid fantasies reinforced by his material.

Icke damages the gullible people who scrimp & save to purchase his material & see him speak, when they otherwise cannot afford to & would not do so if Icke stopped telling his lies & fantasies.



I just don't see why you have singled out David Icke


I have not ”singled out David Icke”…..

I have started threads about other very problematic figures including Greer, Maussan, Rutter/Reed, etc…



probably because he is an easy target


You can see from this thread, here on ATS Icke has not been ”an easy target”.

That is what I expected when I established this thread.



his reptilian theory


…..is a complete fantasy that Icke has morphed into an even nastier paedophile / satanic fantasy, all with the sole intention of making money & gaining attention.



but he is no different from the hundreds of other theorists


Yes he is…..he has taken all this to a new, extremely nasty low level.

That is the focus of my post.



the majority of whom are more Ufology based than Icke ever has been.


As I said above, people associate him strongly with Ufology because they do not know any better.

Kind regards
Maybe…maybe not


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