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Can't prove "thermite", but molten steel is undeniable.

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posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by Alfie1
reply to post by jprophet420
 



I am sorry but I don't think there is such a legal concept as " witness via proxy ". You are either a witness or you are not. As you have correctly identified yourself, anything Mr Loixeaux had to say about molten steel was hearsay.


As I directly stated, if it was a court case it would not be admissible evidence, however his employees that found it would be obligated to testify or plead the fifth. I mentioned both of those things but you only mentioned the one that supports your case. Nice.




posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 04:02 PM
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To go back to your first linked picture in your second post, it reminds me strongly of the one Steven Jones uses supposedly proving molten steel at the WTC. It is the now notorious one of firefighters looking into a glowing hole in the ground. It is suggested that they are looking at molten steel but it is a doctored picture taken from a video of firefighters looking into a hole with a flashlight. The video is in this clip, it is only 4 mins :-

www.youtube.com...

If there was molten steel to be found at the WTC why do truthers feel the need to fake evidence ?



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 04:14 PM
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Having a look at your OP again, your temperatures are all over the place.

Steel doesn't need 5000 F to melt, most steel will melt at half that.

Thermal imaging doesn't show anything like the temperatures you allege , nor for the periods you suggest. From this link you will see that there were many hot spots of 800 F plus a few days after 9/11 but they had mostly died down within a week of that :-

pubs.usgs.gov...

I do not know how you can deny being a truther when you consistently take such a skewed view of everything and ignore or mistake so much.



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by Alfie1
reply to post by jprophet420
 


To go back to your first linked picture in your second post, it reminds me strongly of the one Steven Jones uses supposedly proving molten steel at the WTC. It is the now notorious one of firefighters looking into a glowing hole in the ground. It is suggested that they are looking at molten steel but it is a doctored picture taken from a video of firefighters looking into a hole with a flashlight. The video is in this clip, it is only 4 mins :-

www.youtube.com...

If there was molten steel to be found at the WTC why do truthers feel the need to fake evidence ?



That question is not relevant to the discussion, and the question itself is biased. You are assuming that a "truther" doctored a picture that I am not citing as evidence.

That is fallacy upon fallacy good sir.



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by Alfie1
reply to post by jprophet420
 


Please put forward some evidence that molten steel was found at the WTC site ; no-one ever does. I am sure you are aware Mark Loizeaux never saw any.



It is the video in my signature.

Enjoy the video, and I have mentioned it before.

Several times.



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by Alfie1
reply to post by KillenfizzenHumboflorator
 


Can you please give me a source for the NYPD officers and others who smelt thermate ? Thanks.



Yet again in the video in my signature the firefighters talking
about the molten steel, and the fires.

As for smell they do not mention that.



[edit on 20-6-2010 by Ex_MislTech]



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 04:31 PM
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"From this link you will see that there were many hot spots of 800 F plus a few days after 9/11 but they had mostly died down within a week of that"

I don't know which disreputable source you are getting your information from, however, according to these videos, there were extremely high temperatures at Ground Zero 6-8 weeks after 9/11.







"I do not know how you can deny being a truther when you consistently take such a skewed view of everything and ignore or mistake so much."

I don't what you are (nor do I care), but as displayed above, you seem to have the monopoly on ignoring and mistaking the facts.



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by Ex_MislTech

Originally posted by Alfie1
reply to post by jprophet420
 


Please put forward some evidence that molten steel was found at the WTC site ; no-one ever does. I am sure you are aware Mark Loizeaux never saw any.



It is the video in my signature.

Enjoy the video, and I have mentioned it before.

Several times.



There you go Alphie. 2 firemen I had not mentioned corroborate. 2 debris removal specialists I had not mentioned corroborate. Riggs could have possibly worked for CDI. And an architect confirms that it is a cooled ball of molten steel in the pic I linked. Structural engineers corroborate.

Are you now going to character assassinate them all?



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 04:36 PM
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I am not suggesting that you doctored the picture of the firefighters or that you are relying on it but it was plainly done by a truther and Steven Jones is using it although he must know it is false.

It is relevant to the debate here because the point is that if there was real evidence of molten steel at the WTC site then there would not be any need for anyone to fake anything.



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 04:38 PM
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This thread is a plethora of good evidence that there was molten steel at ground zero. Thanks for stopping by.



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 04:44 PM
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Molten metal, molten metal, molten metal. Proof of molten steel = 0



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by jprophet420
reply to post by Alfie1
 


This thread is a plethora of good evidence that there was molten steel at ground zero. Thanks for stopping by.


Where ? have I missed something ?



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 04:54 PM
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Originally posted by Alfie1
reply to post by jprophet420
 


I am not suggesting that you doctored the picture of the firefighters or that you are relying on it but it was plainly done by a truther and Steven Jones is using it although he must know it is false.

It is relevant to the debate here because the point is that if there was real evidence of molten steel at the WTC site then there would not be any need for anyone to fake anything.



Are you receiving a check from the government to post on forums ?

They now admit they have hired ppl to scour forums and debunk
conspiracy theories ?

Are you being paid to pass Ad Hominem attacks ?

Prove you are not a government disinfo agent.

You will find it hard to prove you are not a liar in an age of lies.

I wish us all luck, even the disinfo agents because they will
find themselves in the same boat as the rest of us.

Good Luck to you all !



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by Alfie1

Originally posted by jprophet420
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This thread is a plethora of good evidence that there was molten steel at ground zero. Thanks for stopping by.


Where ? have I missed something ?


I can't make you read, watch the videos, or look at the pictures. Its obvious that you don't want to see what has been placed in front of you. Intellectual honesty is not a requirement here unfortunately. If you don't consider direct testimony by multiple witnesses and multiple expert witnesses sufficient evidence then its alright if you come out and say so. However to deny that the information has not been presented is the ludicrous.

I will point out however that in a court of law it is quite sufficient, not to mention tried and trued (sic).



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 04:59 PM
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Originally posted by jprophet420

Originally posted by Ex_MislTech

Originally posted by Alfie1
reply to post by jprophet420
 


Please put forward some evidence that molten steel was found at the WTC site ; no-one ever does. I am sure you are aware Mark Loizeaux never saw any.



It is the video in my signature.

Enjoy the video, and I have mentioned it before.

Several times.



There you go Alphie. 2 firemen I had not mentioned corroborate. 2 debris removal specialists I had not mentioned corroborate. Riggs could have possibly worked for CDI. And an architect confirms that it is a cooled ball of molten steel in the pic I linked. Structural engineers corroborate.

Are you now going to character assassinate them all?


Your " meteorite ", as I pointed out before, plainly contains unmelted iron bars. People only have to look back at your own pic.

So far as anyone saying they saw molten steel at the WTC site how would they know ? Did they take a sample for analysis ? There is no way it was aluminium ?

Fact is, you have no proof which is why truthers have resorted to faking. You can call people who broadly accept the " official story ", if you want to call it that, what you like but we don't fake evidence.



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by Alfie1

Originally posted by jprophet420

Originally posted by Ex_MislTech

Originally posted by Alfie1
reply to post by jprophet420
 


Please put forward some evidence that molten steel was found at the WTC site ; no-one ever does. I am sure you are aware Mark Loizeaux never saw any.



It is the video in my signature.

Enjoy the video, and I have mentioned it before.

Several times.



There you go Alphie. 2 firemen I had not mentioned corroborate. 2 debris removal specialists I had not mentioned corroborate. Riggs could have possibly worked for CDI. And an architect confirms that it is a cooled ball of molten steel in the pic I linked. Structural engineers corroborate.

Are you now going to character assassinate them all?


Your " meteorite ", as I pointed out before, plainly contains unmelted iron bars. People only have to look back at your own pic.

So far as anyone saying they saw molten steel at the WTC site how would they know ? Did they take a sample for analysis ? There is no way it was aluminium ?

Fact is, you have no proof which is why truthers have resorted to faking. You can call people who broadly accept the " official story ", if you want to call it that, what you like but we don't fake evidence.


I will take the word of the firefighters saying it looked like lava
over you any day.

They were there, they gave video testimony, case closed.

The ppl that put their lives on the line to save others have a
higher integrity level in my books than some anonymous
poster of possible government paid shill.

www.wired.com...

End of story for me.



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 05:06 PM
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There was lava at the WTC??

You do realise that you've debunked your own contention?



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 05:10 PM
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"I will take the word of the firefighters saying it looked like lava
over you any day."

"There was lava at the WTC??"

This is why people should learn how to read before they attempt to write. I see you like to make a habit of putting words in people's mouths. I wonder why?

[edit on 20-6-2010 by SphinxMontreal]



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 05:12 PM
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Well I am a paid " government disinfo agent " obviously, but my pay is sadly in arrears.



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 05:12 PM
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Your " meteorite ", as I pointed out before, plainly contains unmelted iron bars. People only have to look back at your own pic.

So far as anyone saying they saw molten steel at the WTC site how would they know ? Did they take a sample for analysis ? There is no way it was aluminium ?

Fact is, you have no proof which is why truthers have resorted to faking. You can call people who broadly accept the " official story ", if you want to call it that, what you like but we don't fake evidence.


The fact is an expert witness corroborates what I said about the "meteorite".

The fact is many expert witness corroborate what I said about the molten steel.

What metal could it have been? Aluminum glows white at the temperatures reported by NYFD. Steel glows orange in that range.



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