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Originally posted by Procession101
Originally posted by mnemeth1
reply to post by HistoryIsOnlyHisStory
Chris Mathews has come out demanding Obama act "more like a dictator"
I don't think its the right wing that's calling for violence here.
Yet they are the ones that the day after the president was elected went out and bought up all the guns and ammo they could legally get their hands on and have formed up all these militias around the United States.
Originally posted by zzombie
Chris Mathews is like Joseph Goebbels left hand. Rush Limbaugh is Goebbels right hand. People that listen to them spend endless amounts of time chasing each other in circles with per-programed arguments.
Originally posted by Procession101
I've always considered my self to be a middle of the road kind of guy when it comes to politics, but this nonsense makes me hate the far right wingers to the point where I don't think I'd ever vote for someone they support. They are coming off as nothing more then a bunch of whinny, crybaby, sore losers, with a hint of racism.
[edit on 17-6-2010 by Procession101]
Originally posted by mnemeth1
Let us make believe for a moment that we live in a society where it is IMPOSSIBLE for government to use violence against anyone, other than in defense of that persons property or life.
In such a society, nationalizing BP would be impossible.
If government had no guns, they could not confiscate property rightfully owned by BP.
Matthews is calling for outright violence against BP.
BP screwed up, and they should be held accountable, but not in the fashion Matthews suggests.
BP damaged the property of the fisherman and coastal property owners, thus it is just and right for government to take property from BP to pay those owners for damages - AFTER - a civil trial has been conducted to assess damages and awards have been made.
Government outright confiscating BP's property for its own ends is nothing more than unjustified violence.
[edit on 17-6-2010 by mnemeth1]
Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
reply to post by K J Gunderson
You're the only one interpreting it that way.
That interpretation was called out as bunk the first time it was used in 1837 when Georgia tried to ban handguns.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Because a well armed militia is necessary you cant infringe on the peoples right to arm themselves.
Spin it how you like. Just know you're particular spin has been defeated more times than phrenology.
Originally posted by Stewie
reply to post by K J Gunderson
If the founding fathers were adamant on giving the people the right to throw off a tyrannical government, their OWN tyrannical government, do you think that they would believe that this same government should be the one "regulating" them?
Well regulated, organized, not a mob, and definitely not regulated out of existence.
Originally posted by K J Gunderson
I am very sorry but that is a pile of nonsense if I ever read one. You are saying that without force or threat of violence the government is powerless to regulate or control anything. Unfortunately for you, our government regulates all kinds of things without having to invoke the military. Taking over the oil industry or one company does not require force, just the same old politics that have been working all along.
The fact that you have to start out with a fantasy and present an impossible hypothetical in order to even get to your point should have told you something.
So, I am still waiting to read all about Obama threatening to use violence.
Originally posted by TheFinalTruth14
I agree it does make sense to prepare to defend themselves and I'm a firm believer in the right to bare arms but why are they all of a sudden taking a stand against a government official when all he's done is pretty much everything the prior three before him have. They are all cut from the same political cloth batch and they are all crooked. Why didn't they go up in arms against Bush for getting us into a false pretence war or against Clinton for enforcing the government green lining that has a lot to do with our current economic break down.
You didn't hear any complaining about BUSH JR.? Were you living in this country?
Originally posted by GovtFlu
Yet judging people individually in a political arena is forboden, if you're not right or left wing.. you must be "far" right or left wing.. no such thing as people who despise both partys.
Originally posted by K J Gunderson
Originally posted by HistoryIsOnlyHisStory
okay and if you have read your constitution, then you would know a well regulated militia is necessary to maintain freedom and deter tyranny.
I would really enjoy it if someone could point me to this well regulated militia represented by everyone stocking up on ammo because they are afraid Obama is going to be violent.
Am I the only one that sees "well regulated?"
Originally posted by Procession101
Originally posted by mnemeth1
reply to post by HistoryIsOnlyHisStory
Chris Mathews has come out demanding Obama act "more like a dictator"
I don't think its the right wing that's calling for violence here.
Yet they are the ones that the day after the president was elected went out and bought up all the guns and ammo they could legally get their hands on and have formed up all these militias around the United States.
Originally posted by Procession101
Originally posted by GovtFlu
Yet judging people individually in a political arena is forboden, if you're not right or left wing.. you must be "far" right or left wing.. no such thing as people who despise both partys.
I'm all with you here, I can honestly say I don't care for either side and I pretty much threw my vote away in essence, this prior election in voting for Ron Paul. I think the bipartisan system is beyond broken and saturated with special intrest groups and bankers. The system needs a severe overhaul and the question is can it be resolved peacefully?
[edit on 18-6-2010 by Procession101]