Notice To all who Believe in Aliens/UFO's

in my opinion we cannot have world peace with out a common freind or foe and the aliens have yet to make a move either way for world peace the aliens would be freindly and want to commune but if they be foes then our differences would mean nothing as we have a common enemy to fight either way we need them to disclose themselves at least so we can advance as a species i believe they are here and the proof is in our current tech so in a way we kind of have disclosure just not openly or officially..........

reply to post by draevin


Furthermore, we are in a time of great change in human intellect and knowledge. What is important to understand at this juncture is that we must do what we can to grow beyond our warring and materialistic impulses. We have no need for war and we have no need for money/materialism. We need to take a more "evolved" view of existence. As it is, we aren't quite up to the "using tools" stage of intelligence. We're stuck at "being tools". =/

Some Extraterrestrials owuld have no issues making contact with Earth. The problem is that there is not a concentrated effort to ask. By that I mean that if a few, even most of the US population "wanting" contact, will not work. You need organization, and a major segment of the global population. Once you get 3 billion on the same page and organize a "day of projecting", perhaps you will get your message across.

I fear you will have better success trying to force your governments into disclosure.

That said .... ET is ready and waiting to welcome Earth, along with all it issues and problems, with open arms into the interstellar community.

The only thing standing in your way is the fragmentation of the people.

Etharzi od Oma.

Originally posted by True-seer
reply to post by CitizenNum287119327

 

Actually yes i do think aliens would be different we are a very voilent race.

That doesnt mean every other race in the universe is.

Kind Regards
True-seer

I disagree.

While there is the possibility for life that is completely unrelated to our own biology and physiology to develop - it's more likely that we will bump into life that is rather similar to us, in principle, at least.

Now - look at our life - what are the most intelligent animals on the planet? Humans (predators), dolphins (predators), apes/chimpanzees/other primates (predators), birds (predators, mostly), raccoons (predators) - there's a rather distinct pattern. Additionally, there is a distinct social pattern; intelligent animals tend to have far more complex social behavior and communicative dialogue.

This is really simple to explain - predators, by their very need to hunt prey, must be able to accurately gauge and observe their environment while considering the various factors before them to successfully hunt their prey - pack-hunters also need to have social skills (and the benefits of hunting in packs far outweigh the disadvantages of conflict within that social structure).

So - those are the only forms of life that really develop substantial intelligence that would allow them to take note of, say, fire and how to utilize it to an end.

Why would we expect life to suddenly change that fundamental principle? I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule out there - but you are looking at the likelihood that anything marking what we would consider "sentient" would be a predator by nature, and very accustomed to manipulating its environment (look how we are engineering plants and bacteria to produce hydrocarbon chains that we need for various industrial processes).

To a sufficiently advanced species - we could be considered little more than part of the environment - just as we consider the ants, bugs, birds, and bacteria as part of the environment. Sure - we can enjoy watching them and be fascinated with their behavior - but we will ultimately try to utilize their behavior. There was a city that experimented with training crows to pick up loose change on the streets and deposit it into boxes. Since crows learn from watching each other - the phenomena caught on very fast, and the program was rather successful.

Perhaps we are the crows - we go pick up the change and drop it in the box to get some food. We think we are being really smart by manipulating the environment - but, really, we are just doing what another species needs us to do. We could be a sort of R&D center - a sort of 'fresh perspective' on their technology and way of looking at things. Maybe they completely missed solid state electronics - or vacuum tubes - and went to some sort of photon-based computing, so they are sitting up there going "well, ain't that the darnedest thing!" - They get answers to their problems and we get a little pay-off.

There could be a symbiosis going on that we don't really realize is going on.

In the end - I think humanity is a bit naive when it comes to its own tendencies. "We are too violent." - Have you ever seen dogs go at it? Cats? Birds? Ants (those little things are meaner than hell) - the whole world is a pretty violent place. We just seem to be naive enough to believe we are going to will ourselves out of the laws of nature that we are still governed by.

Doesn't mean go kill people because you're "just an animal" - but, really, you can't expect another form of life to be any different than us when it comes to the potential for conflict - whether it's an energy being or cold-hard-crystalline matrices - if we are in competition for resources, then there's likely going to be a conflict, and they are likely going to come with what they think is necessary to handle us with. They may or may not be more advanced than we are - technology is not a single-dimension; they may have achieved space flight through a rather simple process we simply skipped right over, but couldn't figure out a light-bulb if they had a hundred years because they have no concept of electromagnetism or electricity.

But, therein lies the solution to the problem.

Space is really friggin' big. If you ran into a planet that had indigenous intelligent life, you'd likely just move on - just like if you walk by a picnic table and see a bunch of ants crawling on it, you go to the next one. While you may (or may not) have the ability to exterminate those ants - you have no need to, because there's another table to sit at, and it's more hassle and work to get rid of the ants than it is worth to you (unless you just like killing ants).

Of course, you could also make the analogy a little better by saying those ants are really a completely unknown bug to you. You don't know what they are, if they bite/sting, if they are venomous, etc. You're not going to mess with them, you're going to go to the next available table.

So - taking that perspective, I think we are not as violent as we give ourselves credit for. If we are truly in the midst of a large interstellar network of species like Star Wars or something, then I think we've got aliens visiting us. If we were being looked at as a menace, then we would likely have already been exterminated by their 'exterminating service' (much like we have one to deal with our undesired life forms). Since we have not been destroyed, I come to the conclusion we are not in a high-traffic area, or we are simply not half as bad as we think we are. Note: "not in a high traffic area could also translate to "no aliens")

The frequency has to uncover cloaks, this spawns the collectivness which inturn sends the message to those who await the call. They dont want to appear first and come off as the evil ones due to a war being caused. The vibrations shall delete all cloaks sending Earth in panic passing the message that we need help......K

Your question is naive, not to be rude or condescending, but there are some here that "know" alien life exists as well as UFOs. You can count them into your thoughts on the matter too.

Not everyone is of one camp or the other based on belief.

I've always believed that the GREYS exist, ever since the age of 12, since then I have been researching extensively on what I call the Pandora's box of evidence and testimony from whistleblowers.

I have come to one conclusion throughout the years, and that is that the GREYS or who ever controls them, (some say they are cyborgs controlled by the Oranges( basically a humanoid like the Greys except taller and with a smaller cranium),((all based on speculation of course)) are making deals with the shadow government or the elite or the NWO to keep their agenda hidden and secret untill the NWO completes their so-called Utopia for mankind. Which in fact, will not be a utopia, but a 1984 Brave New World NIGHTMARE!

And the ones, or should I say Slaves that are left in this so-called utopia will not be privy to the aliens, only the ELITE!!

And you thought you were having a Good Day!

Sorry!!

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This is a real problem in my mind! 99.9999999999...% of all the people I know believe aliens exist. I'm sure that some of them would freak out if ETs landed but I think the majority would embrace them.

It would be a good thing for the Human race to know were not alone in this great black yonder! To know were not just a random piece of meat, standing on a random piece of rock, floating through a random piece of space.

So i'm gonna say "WHERE ARE YOU! IF YOUR THERE MAKE YOURSELFS KNOW, BEFORE ITS TO LATE."

reply to post by Aim64C


Excellent post .

I had about three points that I was going to contribute to this thread but , you covered them all . Nice work .

Here is an account of my first sighting . I've actually had three but , this was the closest and therefore the most detailed and awesome .

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by True-seer


You can't disbelieve in UFOs, they're just unidentified objects in the sky by definition. There are things in the sky we can't identify, UFOs are real.

As for what they are and what they are piloted by we just don't know and anyone claiming to know is lying or making an assertion of faith (or both).



[edit on 16-6-2010 by Titen-Sxull]

reply to post by chemical_chameleon


You suggest aliens are manipulating us.

To what ends?

I posed a few possible scenarios - but I don't see where they really stand much to gain from forming relationships with governing factors of our government.

We do a very good job of manipulating and subjugating ourselves, I don't think we really have to believe in an ET threat to justify our anti-NWO ideals.

Which is another point - we have a very anthropomorphic view of ETs and their goals from the perspective of being an equivalent state of existence.

And while I wish we could somehow get a sort of 'glimpse' into the mind of aliens from the reports of abductions and encounters - the reports are simply all over the place. Many people have claimed to talk with aliens and they range from the "we are here to enslave you" to the "we are here to study you" and the "we are waiting for you to be ready for utopia."

In that sense - while I believe there is quite possibly extra-terrestrial presence on/around our planet, I do not believe there is sufficient data to really try and create a profile for that(those) presence(s) and list their motives as the reports pretty much canvas the many different ways we view society as a whole.

In other words, while aliens may be real - we use them as a sort of canvas to paint human society in. They offer us a way to reflect upon our society from a third-person perspective. However, as much as we try to take a third-person perspective on our society, it is still targeted at a human experience with us as the subject.

To that end, I think we all need to step back and take a look at the whole alien phenomena as not just a real phenomena, but also a psychological one. It's not just one thing or another - as much as it is a real thing, it is also processed by our human mind and human society.

That poses a problem if you are looking at something that is a non-human and un-earthly phenomena.

reply to post by Aim64C


To what ends???????????

I could write a 10,000 page book on the subject, but I'm not much of writer so I'll keep it short.

I believe that we are being manipulated and controlled (plus I should add the word HELPED) to further accelerate the agenda to create not only a one world totalitarion state, but also (MABYE) fuel the minds that are not currupt with knowledge (whether co or incoherently) so that we can reclaim this earth and take back what is good and right within our (REALITY), and join them as galactic brothers and sisters in the cosmic neighborhood.

Take everything with a grain of salt in your research...of course.

reply to post by chemical_chameleon


Why would they want us to join them in the galactic brotherhood if they have to, more or less, do it for us?

What is it that we could offer their galactic brotherhood?

When I said "To what ends?" - I meant to what ends that had little to do with humans. What is in it for the aliens?

I am not trying to pose these questions as a way of discrediting your statement... but, really - I don't see how you can attribute socialist liberalism to an alien motive/objective.

I'm against a one-world government, be it alien-induced or not... but, I really don't see how aliens fit into the picture, there. A one-world government for humans is a relatively human-centric goal limited to human politics and social tendencies mixed with cultural ideologies.

In that respect, I'd like to ask you how aliens are manipulating our government - what are they doing that requires alien help or coercion?

Gene-splicing or alteration, cloning, hybrids, abductions, embryo extraction, dis-info, suppressing technology, protecting danger zones i.e. nuclear power plants and D.U.M.BS, the creation of a super-race and other deals have probably been made in exchange for alien technology offered since the mid 40's between government and/or elite officials, some of this technology probably has been back engineered to produce weapons to fend off the HOSTILE ones that try to f around with unwilling participants (innocent people including children) for their own evil agenda...

I've been up for a long time..........

[edit on 17-6-2010 by chemical_chameleon]

[edit on 17-6-2010 by chemical_chameleon]

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by True-seer

 

As for what they are and what they are piloted by we just don't know and anyone claiming to know is lying or making an assertion of faith (or both).
[edit on 16-6-2010 by Titen-Sxull]

That may be true--but it also may not. There are 6.7 billion humans on the planet. One or more of them might very well know something you don't.

Originally posted by Aim64C

Space is really friggin' big. If you ran into a planet that had indigenous intelligent life, you'd likely just move on - just like if you walk by a picnic table and see a bunch of ants crawling on it, you go to the next one. While you may (or may not) have the ability to exterminate those ants - you have no need to, because there's another table to sit at, and it's more hassle and work to get rid of the ants than it is worth to you (unless you just like killing ants).

Of course, you could also make the analogy a little better by saying those ants are really a completely unknown bug to you. You don't know what they are, if they bite/sting, if they are venomous, etc. You're not going to mess with them, you're going to go to the next available table.

I agree!

Or they could buy their equivalent of bug powder to wipe us out with, especially if we are in their backyard. But they might not do that until the hive spreads out.

reply to post by the.lights


That's true, but put yourself in the shoes of a farmer, if you had the tech and the know how to create and seed life on a world, wouldn't you also study, tweak, and help the crop grow according to your own desired needs?

But mabye that's going off on a tangent...

I don't like anyone or anything for this matter who's too secretive. Just look at the government (or thieves, or people up to no good. Same diff). They keep too much secrets.

There's no way that anyone who keeps things from us be bringing peace, love, and prosperity.

reply to post by True-seer


I think the trouble here is that we are dealing with a concept, and a hypothetical scenario which we lack the knowlege to comment on accurately in most circumstances.
It may be a widely held belief that if we think about them, they will come, but mere hundreds of years ago humanity thought the Earth was flat, and that the sun went round it. We are often wrong, and it is only direct observation of facts, which can ultimately educate us as to the true nature of the universe and its contents.
I personaly believe that there is some truth to the UFO phenomenon and that there may well have been some visitation of this planet by species not native to it. However I do not believe that in terms of motives held by the visiting species , that I , or anyone on earth has the information required to tell us how to summon them.

[edit on 17-6-2010 by TrueBrit]

reply to post by True-seer


here's a little secret: humans derive pleasure from oppresing others