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No not because Randi said so. Because:
Originally posted by cupocoffee
How do you know it doesn't work, when you haven't tried it?
If you read my previous post you'll know exactly why I won't do it, Bedini is a known scam artist with his DVD enhancer, that's a complete fraud without a doubt. So why would I waste time trying to work on a project from a known con artist.
How do you know that's a complete fraud? Cause the mighty Randi says so?
All these numerous inventors are all liars and con artists and snake-oil salesmen but the mighty Randi's word is gospel, is that how it works?
Originally posted by buddhasystem
If HE's passing this opbvious opportunity to actually build the real perpetual machine, the only reason he does is because his device is crock.
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
But in the meantime, are you saying if you bought Bedini's disc enhancer, and you heard a difference, that you wouldn't take Randi up on his offer to pay you a million dollars? And if not, why not? Most of us aren't that rich that we would turn down a million dollars for such a trivial task, talk about easy money.
Originally posted by cupocoffee
I happen to believe that the Universe is such a wondrous and amazing place that someone somewhere should have won the million dollars by now. For showing psychic powers, or bending a spoon, or levitating, or making a free energy device, whatever.
How do you know that he wasn't purposely set up to be some sort of god of skeptics and debunkers everywhere, the great Randi who offers a faux prize that no one can ever possibly win?
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
It's very simple. He doesn't offer the money to anybody.
He only offers the money to people with outrageous claims that he thinks they can't prove.
And I noticed you didn't answer my question about whether YOU would be interested in getting the million dollars for just proving that you could hear the difference with Bedini's DVD enhancer, if you thought you could really hear a difference.
Originally posted by cupocoffee
Okay, hearing is a subjective experience. If I listen to it and I do hear a difference, how am I supposed to "prove" that to someone else? Especially a professional debunker who's biased against me in the first place?
No amount of evidence???? What?
It's a lot like trying to prove that Bedini's energizer works to you and buddhasystem and rnaa. No amount of evidence is ever sufficient, Bedini and Bearden and Friedrich are accused of lying no matter what they say, etc etc.......
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
It's easy. Get 300 discs. number them 1-300.
...
Repeat for the other 299 discs.
Then see what percentage you were right about, that's not too hard, right?
This is an advanced and more useful version of the Bedini_SG, a one-coil open source project that we (PES Network, Inc.) launched with Bedini's permission back in 2004, and which Friedrich took leadership of and developed far beyond what we first launched. Friedrich who has been working closely with Bedini for several years, recently moved to Hayden, Idaho to be able to work directly in Bedini's lab.
I was the first to build the Bedini SG, and my associate, Susan Carter, was the second (to illustrate how easy it is to build). The name "school girl motor" was to illustrate the ease. Hundreds, if not thousands of people have since built that motor or variations thereof, thanks in large part to the work being done by Friedrich.
No amount of evidence???? What?
You gave me a website to go to. I went to it, and sure enough somebody tested Bedini's SG design, and he is NOT getting over unity with it! The only time he got some odd readings is when one of the components in his circuit burned out, remember this?
Originally posted by wmd_2008
Just because they replicated the Motor DOESN'T mean it works all they have done is copy the design
Originally posted by cupocoffee
You are another one who has never even tried building the SG motor even though the schematics have been freely available for years.
You jump to conclusions and assume it won't work without even trying the experiment first. How unscientific of you!
And Bedini has made little motors that have run continuously for years, but he says "you can't call this perpetual motion because sooner or later a bearing will wear out or a part will need replacing". Which makes sense. Any machine that has moving parts eventually needs repairs.
Originally posted by buddhasystem
This is not the only activity that I consider pointless and not worth undertaking. I do not sing "Hare Krishna" and I don't smoke either.
I spent more time in physics laboratories than I can conveniently count. So don't "unscientific" me,
conservation of energy is something that many of us observed many times over.
Originally posted by michial
I thought this discussion was about the Turkish inventor.
Originally posted by cupocoffee
Originally posted by buddhasystem
This is not the only activity that I consider pointless and not worth undertaking. I do not sing "Hare Krishna" and I don't smoke either.
And that is where I lose respect for you, your "I already know that won't work so I refuse to even try it" attitude.
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Remember one definition of insanity? Repeating the same action over and over, expecting a different result. Feel free.
But you haven't even tried it once! Let alone over and over!
The fact is, you haven't tried the experiment, so you don't know for certain. There is a chance that Bedini and all his supporters could be right and you could be proven wrong, and that's probably why you refuse to do it.
Originally posted by rnaa
There is also a chance that I could stick my unprotected hand into a raging fire and not get burned. But I'm not going to do it just because you think it is the scientific thing to do.
If Bedini would publish his results and permit others to independently replicate his results, then you wouldn't be having this discussion - whichever way it turned out.
The fact remains that there are zero credible reports of the SG working as Bedini describes,
Bedini doesn't let independent labs check his claims under controlled protocols
You are supporting his fraud by trying to goad people into giving Bedini money.
Your entire history of posting in this thread constitutes advertising for Bedini which is against the ATS T&C.
Even when I go through the replications on Peswiki, the "success" don't seem to demonstrate over unity for very long, just a short time like the one I posted or maybe a little longer, but no extended performance longer than the battery charge would last. And some people don't seem to be following Bedini's advice to start with completely discharged batteries for their test as you suggested they need to for accurate results. And they certainly don't seem to be measuring the total stored power in all of the batteries in controlled trials. One guy did start with one charged battery and two discharged batteries. But nowhere do I see any reason to believe that he didn't start out with 105 amp hours in one battery, and end up with 30 amp hours in each of the 3 batteries which is what you'd get if you just hooked all 3 batteries together without Bedini's SG motor. You don't like the replication I posted, why not post a link to one you think is a "good" one? There is no evidence these folks know how to measure all the variables involved or make controlled experiments like a certified testing lab would.
Originally posted by cupocoffee
Bedini has ....all sorts of people from PESWiki and the Yahoo groups replicating his results.
Originally posted by rnaa
The fact remains that there are zero credible reports of the SG working as Bedini describes
What does FFS mean?
Originally posted by cupocoffee
FFS
Originally posted by wmd_2008
Just because they replicated the Motor DOESN'T mean it works all they have done is copy the design
READ the link that I posted.
Clearly Stirling Allan of PESWiki.com believes that it works. And Friedrich, who started out as a member of Allan's "New Energy Congress", clearly believes that it works - he moved to Idaho to work in Bedini's lab full time.
And they have had hundreds of other people replicating it.
READ the article, before you post! The evidence you're looking for is right there!
We should take his "unbiased" word for it? For the umpteenth time, we need an independent lab to verify, like when Muller sent his to a lab for testing, but oops, it didn't work either. Bedini probably knows better than to send his to a lab because he already knows it doesn't really do what he claims. If he really thought it works I expect he would have had an independent lab test it like Muller did with his design.
The kits can be purchased through Friedrich's website: PotentialTec.com...
Originally posted by cupocoffee
PS you were asking before, if it works why doesn't he make a "perpetual motion machine".
Bedini SG Self-Runner
So basically he's saying "if you are looking for proof this thing works, don't ask me, I took mine apart so I don't have to show it to anybody and I don't need to prove it". And this is the guy you're saying can prove it? He says he can't/won't.
May 17, 2007, Rick Fredrich wrote:
"Replicate at your own risk. I do not believe this setup is more advantageous than a non-self-running setup where the coil instead pulses into another battery and batteries are instead swapped around. I believe the information shared below is thorough in all necessary details if one follows carefully every point. The process is the key not any one replication. I have no interest in leaving this setup as constructed as I have long been satisfied with the results along the lines I describe. I don’t need it to prove to myself any further and I do not believe it is necessary to prove to anyone else. And I don’t care to be some person who shows it to the world as that is not my calling in life."