Hawaii Senior Elections clerk: Obama birth not here! (now gov't officails saying it!)

Official who oversaw ballots in 2008 race says hospital birth certificate non-existent

A college professor who worked as a senior elections clerk for the City and County of Honolulu in 2008 is making the stunning claim Barack Obama was definitely not born in Hawaii as the White House maintains, and that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Obama does not even exist in the Aloha State. "There is no birth certificate," said Tim Adams- "It's like an open secret. There isn't one. Everyone in the government there knows this."

Adams, who says he's a Hillary Clinton supporter who ended up voting for John McCain when Clinton lost the Democratic nomination to Obama, told WND, "I managed the absentee-ballot office. It was my job to verify the voters' identity." He says during the 2008 campaign when the issue of Obama's constitutional eligibility first arose, the elections office was inundated with requests to verify the birthplace of the U.S. senator from Illinois

"I had direct access to the Social Security database, the national crime computer, state driver's license information, international passport information, basically just about anything you can imagine to get someone's identity," Adams explained. "I could look up what bank your home mortgage was in. I was informed by my boss that we did not have a birth record [for Obama]."

At the time, there were conflicting reports that Obama had been born at the Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, as well as the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children across town. So Adams says his office checked with both facilities. "They told us, 'We don't have a birth certificate for him,'" he said. "They told my supervisor, either by phone or by e-mail, neither one has a document that a doctor signed off on saying they were present at this man's birth."

To date, no Hawaiian hospital has provided documented confirmation that Obama was born at its facility
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Copy of original long-form birth certificate of Susan Nordyke, born in Honolulu the day after Obama's reported birthdate. President Obama has never produced any document like this
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Obama's Certificate of Live Birth
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WND confirmed with Hawaiian officials that Adams was indeed working in their election offices during the last presidential election. "His title was senior elections clerk in 2008," said Glen Takahashi, elections administrator for the city and county of Honolulu.

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Tim Adams, a former senior elections clerk for Honolulu

Adams stressed, "In my professional opinion, [Obama] definitely was not born in Hawaii. I can say without a shadow of a doubt that he was not born in Hawaii because there is no legal record of him being born there. If someone called and asked about it, I could not tell them that person was born in the state."

Source: www.wnd.com...

And in a related story from AZ-somewhat:

AZ Paper On Obama’s Connecticut Social Security Number
Source: fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com...

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Spare your anon72 is a jerk who won't let up. I'm telling you there is more to Obama-his birth and SS#. Most likely not a CIA or KGB plot etc but still criminal-if correct.

When the right Gov't official quits-and who has sufficient evidence to support any claims made-I will believe it 100%.

Now, I am just curious as to getting to the PROPER bottom of all of this mess. Now the other story link I put in the OP is very interesting as well.

A newspaper in AZ starts to ask questions and causing a stir. The word will get out to more and more AZ citizens. Come time for Obama to get election certification in AZ-it will be very interesting.

Anyone think he WON'T get on the election ballots in AZ? I think there is a 40% to 60% chance he won't. (60% being he will).

What I still find amazing that when the eveidence that exist now is put out for you to see, you act like some major crime has been committed. I would think any ATS member-with such apparent oddities surrounding Obama's birth place, Birth Certificate and SS Number-that we would all be on the same band wagon demanding it be cleared up. If anything to prove me (us) wrong and you (them) right.

I think the other person birth Long form in the OP is very interesting. I wonder exactly where and when this was obtained. If it came from the State----watch out as I guess they didn't ALL burn in some alleged fire (which has not been confirmed by the Captiol Police there!). And, proof they do exist.

We'll see what the defenders have to say and see if they can explain everything-sufficiently. But I bet they can't and/or don't but rather attack me, any fellow thinking posters and the OP instead of getting to the bottom of it. Any bet takers. And, I am sure the biggest offenders will be my good old pals from my FOE list. They seem to get very agitated when this topic comes up. OH WELL> ;o)

So, Bring on that Special ATS love!!!!!

Another nail in the coffin.. I've been following this whole thing since the beginning.. this is just another anomaly that deserves National inquiry. I mean c'mon folks.. the guy is president and we really don't know much of ANYTHING about him.

Originally posted by djcloudy
Another nail in the coffin.. I've been following this whole thing since the beginning.. this is just another anomaly that deserves National inquiry. I mean c'mon folks.. the guy is president and we really don't know much of ANYTHING about him.

Sure we do.

We know he's a lying fascist douche bag that has:

-expanded the wars
-bombed Pakistan and killed civilians
-jokes about blowing up civilians
-signed the patriot act renewal
-handed 700 billion to special interests
-packed his administration with lobbyists
-handed 23.7 trillion in bailouts to private banks
-signed a bill that forces private insurance down our throats
-hired 16,000 new IRS agents
-re-appointed the criminal Bernanke
-has nominated a Supreme Court justice that doesn't believe in the 1st or 2nd Amendments
etc.. etc.. etc..

We know all about the traitor B. Hussein Obama.

Well, just like clockwork!
Here's THIS WEEKS birther thread! Gee, WND as a source by any chance?
Tally ho to this weeks episode of "Beating a Dead Horse!
Now, the 'wingers accuse me of being a Obama schill, or if we are really into drama, a Government agent! Then a series of swarmy exchanges between birthers and rational people, goes on for a couple pages, then obscurity. Birthers are....boring.
Repeat weekly.

So he was a Clinton supporter who voted for McCain.

He worked in an election office so he apparently actually cared about politics.

He is a professor so he is likely not a moron.

He still waited for Obama to get elected and be president for well over a year before bothering to mention this to anyone?

Yeah, that makes sense.

WOW!! It's finally "official"

reply to post by OldDragger

Here's THIS WEEKS birther thread! Gee, WND as a source by any chance?
Tally ho to this weeks episode of "Beating a Dead Horse!

Scrolling down...scrolling...down farther...farther.

Yep...

WND...

'Told you so!' (I tell myself)...

Oh well...

Thanks for the thread anyway...

peace

PS - Sorry, but, I've been burned far too many times by the BS WND puts out to even think about giving them any shot at credibility ever again.

Not your fault, thanks again.

Originally posted by anon72

Copy of original long-form birth certificate of Susan Nordyke, born in Honolulu the day after Obama's reported birthdate. President Obama has never produced any document like this

It is titled "Certificate of Live Birth" and since that is one of the arguments against the validity of Obamas BC, then does it not eliminate the long form she managed to keep as proof of anything? Remember, WND and the rest of you already claimed that a valid birth certificate is not called a certification of live birth or certificate of live birth because that is not birth certificate. Did we forget all that already or just for the moment?

reply to post by anon72


No Hospital CAN show a certificate. Not without a court order. Otherwise it would be a violation of HIPPA. And I guarantee the hammer would FALL for the hospital that did that. Regardless of whether Obama thought it was OK to release that info.

That's why I am curious how people can claim this information, since it is protected by law.

reply to post by OldDragger


I can see where you are coming from but it doesn't change the fact the new info comes out every week (or so).

Maybe we can focus on the new info for your interest? What is your thoughts on the Long Form B.C that apparently is available to people that were born the day before Obama but not after? Fluke? needs a little more digging? Or just let it go at what it is?

What do you think about a senior elections official from there saying he has personal knowledge and information as he was there at the time of election?

What do you think about NO hospital is able to verify with documentation and/or assestation that Obama was born in their hospital and by the help of what doctor?

Lets focus here and no bad mouth the thread because you don't like the topic. I'll wait.

reply to post by anon72


About Arizona, he might "WBush" the state, in a manner much like Florida, that would invalidate Arizona's votes.

Then all hell will break loose.

Originally posted by Miraj
reply to post by anon72

 

No Hospital CAN show a certificate. Not without a court order. Otherwise it would be a violation of HIPPA. And I guarantee the hammer would FALL for the hospital that did that. Regardless of whether Obama thought it was OK to release that info.

That's why I am curious how people can claim this information, since it is protected by law.

People can claim it because B. Hussein hasn't provided us the information voluntarily.

Since the Constitution demands that the president be natural born, it is incumbent upon those running for office to provide proof of this publicly.

No HIPPA law can override the Constitution.

The Constitution is supposedly the supreme law of the land.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

In no way do I support the "birther" idea that Obama was not born in the US. The whole idea makes no sense to me, I don't have a "long form" birth certificate, and apparently neither does the state I live in. I requested a copy of mine when this "controversy" arose and they said that the document they sent me (virtually identical to the document Obama has provided) was the only document on record as far as birth certificates go. It also had a "issued" date of 91 I believe, nowhere near the time I was born.

But back to what I've said before...

Just assume for one minute that the birther controversy is true, do you seriously think it matters? Do any of you honestly believe its "the smoking gun" "nail in the coffin" or anything that will lead to Obama's impeachment and removal from office?

I'd have to say no. It doesn't matter and nothing would be done about it if it were proven to be true.

Because in the end its the nuts and bolts of what makes this site go around. A purebred conspiracy. I've said it countless times now, but if this scenario proved to be true it wouldn't be a case of "that slick kenyan really pulled the wool over our eyes", no it would entail a vast coverup by quite a few people within our government.

So if you subscribe to the birther line of thought, keep that in mind. You're not bringing down some socialist who tricked us all and got into office. I mean do you seriously think that any person who would possibly be in charge of our military and entire country would not go through a myriad of official and unofficial "vetting" investigations? Do you seriously think the CIA and other government agencies would not even independantly research every aspect of the man who would possibly be giving them orders for the next 4 years?

I think its downright LUNACY to believe the birther nonsense as it exists. Because as it exists it is just an ATTACK on Obama. I seriously cannot fathom how the people that support this idea have this mental picture of Obama sitting in the White House, with the typical villian grin and hand wringing exclaiming "I fooled them all".

Its not an Obama conspiracy, its a conspiracy that would have to involve many people in different facets of government falsifying documents, creating bogus information etc...

Well of course they are not going to find a birth certificate.

They generally don't give birth certificate's to Demon Spawn.

Originally posted by mnemeth1
it is incumbent upon those running for office to provide proof of this publicly.

I'd have to disagree.

I wouldn't cave to the demands of every lunatic that made a website either, or he would spend his whole administration providing this proof then when that wasn't enough it would be this proof, then this proof...then well let us see the ****** and we'll just end all this now...

Not once has any president provided his birth certificate to the public, and not once were the people so disconnected from reality that they felt the need to demand it.

Nowhere in the constitution does it say that someone has to publicly reveal any kind of proof to the mainstream public. There are official channels that kind of information goes through, when those official channels deem the information satisfactory thats where the buck stops.

If you have a problem with the information, take it to the officials that deemed it satisfactory, and lynch them also. They would have to be involved, as well as a multitude of others.

This whole thing is pretty much the same as angry children crying out "your not my mom, I hate you" when they get sent to their rooms.

reply to post by mnemeth1


Your precious WorldNetDaily were the FIRST to verify the validity of the Obama Certificate of Live Birth. What do you say to that? If they are such a driving force in the Politi-sphere, why are these consider patently unreliable?

Your signature and side panel reveal the sanctimonious nature of your presence here. Anarchno-capitalism.....Riiiight.....That would work.

Originally posted by ThaLoccster

Originally posted by mnemeth1
it is incumbent upon those running for office to provide proof of this publicly.

I'd have to disagree.

I wouldn't cave to the demands of every lunatic that made a website either, or he would spend his whole administration providing this proof then when that wasn't enough it would be this proof, then this proof...then well let us see the ****** and we'll just end all this now...

Not once has any president provided his birth certificate to the public, and not once were the people so disconnected from reality that they felt the need to demand it.

Nowhere in the constitution does it say that someone has to publicly reveal any kind of proof to the mainstream public. There are official channels that kind of information goes through, when those official channels deem the information satisfactory thats where the buck stops.

If you have a problem with the information, take it to the officials that deemed it satisfactory, and lynch them also. They would have to be involved, as well as a multitude of others.

This whole thing is pretty much the same as angry children crying out "your not my mom, I hate you" when they get sent to their rooms.

You can disagree all you like, however its written in plain English:

'No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Originally posted by axelfear
reply to post by mnemeth1

 

Your precious WorldNetDaily were the FIRST to verify the validity of the Obama Certificate of Live Birth. What do you say to that? If they are such a driving force in the Politi-sphere, why are these consider patently unreliable?

Your signature and side panel reveal the sanctimonious nature of your presence here. Anarchno-capitalism.....Riiiight.....That would work.

Don't be mad that Obama is a fascist warmonger.

I'm simply pointing out the truth.

While this is not proof, it is certainly damaging testimony.

One thing is certain, this issue is never going to go away until all sealed records are made available (which ain't gonna happen).

The way I see it (if true) is that Obama is either a puppet of a domestic conspiracy, or even more unsettling - a puppet of a foreign nation.

Either way, my gut is telling me that most of us are going to get screwed anyway by take your pick: the sun, oil spill/global ecological disaster, global economic financial collapse, volcanoes, earthquakes, chemtrails, haarp, asteroid strike, war, emp attack, martial law, Nibiru, the antichrist, pole shift, global tsunami, an alien invasion, etc. Did I miss anything? Oh yeah, the boogie man.

reply to post by silo13

Sorry, but, I've been burned far too many times by the BS WND puts out to even think about giving them any shot at credibility ever again.

Although I prefer an open record of a candidate/officeholder's previous opinions, degrees, awards, et c., I have not taken a position on the BC stuff yet.

BUT, I wouldn't write off research from unconventional sources.

It wasn't that long ago that people joked about Enquirer headlines. Now we see, via another political cover-up, aided and abetted by the MSM, that unconventional sources are sometimes 100% accurate.

Take little bits of truth, add them up, and see what you get.

deny ignorance

jw